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post 1599389171 03-09-2020, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By AlexNYC7⏩
Works both ways. I want to go to the ballgame even if someone kills me. I’m consistent.

Also, if course if I get it I will stay home. Won’t knowingly infect others.

But If I don’t get it, I vehemently disagree that I should be told to stay gone or go under lockdown.

Any person that believes is freedom should as well. An able bodied Italian not being allowed to travel is a travesty of the highest degree.
There is a quarantine thread in the religion and politics section. Quit derailing the "info" thread, lol.
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Originally Posted By AlexNYC7⏩
Let’s treat an entire nation as prisoners because 100 people died of the flu.

Stupid draconian measures that spread even more unnecessary panic.

Governments suck.
It's to slow the rate of spread. Their hospitals are already overwhelmed. Many have begun triage; there are many reports of not even intubating >60 year olds because younger people with severe symptoms have a higher probability of survival. Imagine your parents catching the virus and watching them die in the waiting room.
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Originally Posted By AlexNYC7⏩
Works both ways. I want to go to the ballgame even if someone kills me. I’m consistent.

Also, if course if I get it I will stay home. Won’t knowingly infect others.

But If I don’t get it, I vehemently disagree that I should be told to stay gone or go under lockdown.

Any person that believes is freedom should as well. An able bodied Italian not being allowed to travel is a travesty of the highest degree.
Italy went from 0 cases to almost 10000 in 38 days with over 500 deaths. The death rate is over 4%. The death rate of the flu is less than 1%. If you think this is anything like the flu you are retarded.
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Italy.


population 62 million

demographic

65 years and over: 20.2%


~12.4 million at greatest risk of death

if 3% die that's ~372,000


they really had no choice.


for comparison US 65 years and older 12.5 percent of total population
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Again, people like this trying to justify panic.

Its stupid. Worst case scenario just listen to the direction of cdc and other people that know what they are talking about.

Why are you people trying to make this into the end of the world. It's not, we just need to follow the steps we're asked to
I'm an actual medical doctor (resident, but whatever, 4 years out of medical school). I've been keeping tabs of what the CDC, WHO, dozens of other doctors around the globe, my NYC colleagues, countless studies and the like have to say.

You can say I have a decent idea of what I'm talking about.

It's not the end of the ****ing world, but it's also not benign. There is a gray area, and humans in general are bad at dealing with grey areas. But people need to a grow a pair, pull their heads out of the sand and face the facts.

I would agree with tuning out MSM, and to be quite honest, Trump as well because he's saying a lot of nonsense about COVID-19.
Originally Posted By WrinklyGrandma⏩
It's to slow the rate of spread. Their hospitals are already overwhelmed. Many have begun triage; there are many reports of not even intubating >60 year olds because younger people with severe symptoms have a higher probability of survival. Imagine your parents catching the virus and watching them die in the waiting room.
That's precisely what's going in Italy. We're trying to avoid the same fate in the US by slowing down the number of cases. Social isolation limits the number of potential virus transmissions.

Problem is we have don't have a good idea how many people are infected in the US because the government dropped the ****ing ball. Some US hospitals may still not have the test required to diagnosed SARS-CoV-2. Mine has been able to start testing yesterday.

As of now, my hospital's surgical ICU has been converted to another isolation unit because all the other ones in the hospital are full.
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You bruhs remember how many people h1n1 killed in 2009? Probably more than Corona tbh. Media loves to hype stuff up. They do this **** with Hurricane's too.
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Overall its a pretty good social experiment. People in todays age want to panic/quarantine/shut it all down as opposed to doing the first steps such as hygiene and being responsible.

The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual virus.

Can you imagine if the governments were actually worried to a significant degree? Like if it was an actual killer. Airports would be shut down etc hazmat on borders.

Its a tricky thing now. Im not saying i know all the answers. At least Italy went full on so fair credit to them. No point stopping a sporting event but having trains and subways fully operational. We will also get a feel of prognosis as well in true numbers as i think China is skewed numbers a bit.


People think the uk health system will collapse lol. Every winter its on the verge of collapse. Brb shut it all down. All 50million for 300 cases. There needs to be some proper organization.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Because most people are not solipsistic *******s who think that just because they'll survive, that it doesn't matter if they contribute to overwhelming local hospitals that are needed to help others or contribute to a chain of events that puts somebody on a ventilator.
Everyone that catches this needs hospitalization?
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Everyone that catches this needs hospitalization?
Not only are an extremely high percentage getting hospitalized, but an extremely high percentage are ending up in the ICU. Lombardy is projecting ten times as many ICU patients by the end of the month as they have beds for.

That's why all of this is happening. That is the problem. Not the death rate. Outbreaks are churning out an outrageous number of people who need supportive care urgently for days or weeks. That's why nurses in Wuhan ended up wearing diapers because they literally couldn't stop to piss.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Not only are an extremely high percentage getting hospitalized, but an extremely high percentage are ending up in the ICU. Lombardy is projecting ten times as many ICU patients by the end of the month as they have beds for.

That's why all of this is happening. That is the problem. Outbreaks are churning out an outrageous number of people who need supportive care urgently for days or weeks. Not the death rate.
Keep in mind the demographics and population of Italy.

Its not all doom and gloom. You are panicking way too much. Panic an appropriate amount brah.

They did cost benefit analysis. They would shut chit down asap if there was extreme worry
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its hilarious how coward trump always dips from the press conference. is he afraid he is going to miss the first segment of Hannity on tv?
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Originally Posted By Witrebel⏩
Well lets be clear, first and foremost, being prepared does not mean having the worlds supply of TP in your basement. That is just absurd and not productive and no one is advocating for it.

But I think its important to look at the big picture. Right now CDC is only recommending these actions for this section of the populous, but the CDC recommendation isn't the only data point. All of Italy was just locked down, China has been all sorts of jacked up for weeks now, and its becoming apparent that a good portion of the US population is totally apathetic to this threat and probably still not washing their hands after taking a dump. So does it make sense to wait for the CDC to say "EVERYBODY LISTEN UP, NOW is the time to go buy some food and supplies?" To run out with everyone else and queue up and rub elbows to fight over that last bag of rice or that last pack of TP? Personally I'd rather be prepared and not be a part of that panic.



Thank you, that is consistent with what I've heard.



Fairly confident no one in this thread has said "prepare for the end" in this thread. Some people certainly prepare for less likely scenarios than others. But right now the idea of needing to have a few weeks of food and supplies on hand is not a "low probability event".


EDIT:
As far as I can tell, the "low risk population" is not just roses and sunshine. There are certainly reports of some people having very mild SYMPTOMS, but from what I've read, the definition of "Mild" in a clinical sense is more like "did not require hospitalization". You are not irrational for wanting to avoid an illness that is potentially a couple weeks or more of flu like symptoms, even if death is unlikely.
I think basic preparation makes sense but thats not the panic I'm referring to.

I'm talking about the notion that society has to shut down and end daily life. Cancel all events, school, work from home, hide in your basement.

I just do not think that makes sense. Sick people stay home vulnerable stay home, but life can go on otherwise. Its not bubonic plague
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Not only are an extremely high percentage getting hospitalized, but an extremely high percentage are ending up in the ICU. Lombardy is projecting ten times as many ICU patients by the end of the month as they have beds for.

That's why all of this is happening. That is the problem. Not the death rate. Outbreaks are churning out an outrageous number of people who need supportive care urgently for days or weeks. That's why nurses in Wuhan ended up wearing diapers because they literally couldn't stop to piss.
Whst is the official hospitalization rate? Because I've heard this is far from true unless over 60 years old
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
Its not all doom and gloom. You are panicking way too much. Panic an appropriate amount brah.
Oh, I'm not panicking at all. I'm certainly interested in the topic, but mostly I'm delighted that a Miscer who has been struggling to grasp why this disease is a public health issue finally seems to be understanding the problem.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I'm talking about the notion that society has to shut down and end daily life. Cancel all events, school, work from home, hide in your basement.

I just do not think that makes sense. Sick people stay home vulnerable stay home, but life can go on otherwise. Its not bubonic plague
Mmm. Alternately, we live in an entitled and narcissistic society where people have never had to live with serious infectious disease outbreaks and can't wrap their head around the idea that this is a thing that happens and that they might have to change their behavior a bit temporarily to deal with it. "It's just the flu" because everything they've ever seen in their life...is just the flu.
Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
Whst is the official hospitalization rate? Because I've heard this is far from true unless over 60 years old
The WHO currently pegs it around 20%, with 5% in intensive care. Italy may be pushing closer to 50% hospitalization by some reports, which might be explained by demographic issues.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Oh, I'm not panicking at all. I'm certainly interested in the topic, but mostly I'm delighted that a Miscer who has been struggling to grasp why this disease is a public health issue finally seems to be understanding the problem.



Mmm. Alternately, we live in an entitled and narcissistic society where people have never had to live with serious infectious disease outbreaks and can't wrap their head around the idea that this is a thing that happens and that they might have to change their behavior a bit temporarily to deal with it. "It's just the flu" because everything they've ever seen in their life...is just the flu.
See you keep going to that strawman. I agree it's not just the flu.



That doesn't mean putting a pause on society is right either, but more people keep suggesting anything less is not enough
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Oh, I'm not panicking at all. I'm certainly interested in the topic, but mostly I'm delighted that a Miscer who has been struggling to grasp why this disease is a public health issue finally seems to be understanding the problem.



Mmm. Alternately, we live in an entitled and narcissistic society where people have never had to live with serious infectious disease outbreaks and can't wrap their head around the idea that this is a thing that happens and that they might have to change their behavior a bit temporarily to deal with it. "It's just the flu" because everything they've ever seen in their life...is just the flu.
Well now we are touching on greater topics. Starts from the top down and how its communicated, to the media, to the narcissistic average joes.

Now imagine if it was bubonic plague
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Originally Posted By AlexNYC7⏩
Just because governments responded terribly, doesn’t mean anything.

It just means governments are no good when it comes to healthcare or the economy.
You are the dumbest person on here honestly. NO government in existence is going to destroy their countries economy over “just the flu”
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I think basic preparation makes sense but thats not the panic I'm referring to.

I'm talking about the notion that society has to shut down and end daily life. Cancel all events, school, work from home, hide in your basement.

I just do not think that makes sense. Sick people stay home vulnerable stay home, but life can go on otherwise. Its not bubonic plague
I agree with taking the basic precautions. Life doesn't have to end. We're not in pandemic mode (yet).

It's the uncertainty that bugs us all. This is a novel infection in humans, and we don't have a full grasp of how bad it will be just yet. Everyone's risk-benefit assessment will be slightly different, and there will be an uncertainty to that well.

The uncertainty is the worst part of all of this, to be honest.
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Originally Posted By jasticus⏩
Over 10% of the world population isn’t in quarantine when those happened
So 753 million people are under quarantine right now?
Originally Posted By cromofo⏩
Italy putting ENTIRE country on lockdown
This is the reason why we need two threads ( even though the other one is infected with these kinds of posts now too ).

Definition of lockdown
1: the confinement of prisoners to their cells for all or most of the day as a temporary security measure
2: an emergency measure or condition in which people are temporarily prevented from entering or leaving a restricted area or building (such as a school) during a threat of danger

And the examples given by Merriam Webster are even applicable:

"At the outbreak's epicenter in the central province of Hubei, cities with a combined population of more than 60 million have been placed under lockdown, with outbound transportation halted and virtually all public activities suspended.
— Yanan Wang, Anchorage Daily News, "China reports major drop in new virus cases, 143 new deaths," 15 Feb. 2020"

Wuhan ( not the entire province of Hubei ) is under lockdown. Italy isnotunder lockdown.

"The government has said only those with a valid work or family reason that cannot be postponed will be permitted to travel.

Passengers departing on flights, except temporary visitors, will have to justify themselves, as will all those arriving by plane.

There are controls at train stations to check temperatures."

Are there travel restrictions in place? Yes.

Is the country under lockdown? No.

( I realize the article used the words "lockdown" and "quarantine", but neither is in place now in Italy ).
Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
The WHO currently pegs it around 20%, with 5% in intensive care.
20% of symptomatic cases that were bad enough to warrant a test. That doesn't say much unfortunately ( and it's even worse that the only asymptomatic numbers I've seen were all in the single digits - how would anyone know? ).
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee⏩
I think basic preparation makes sense but thats not the panic I'm referring to.

I'm talking about the notion that society has to shut down and end daily life. Cancel all events, school, work from home, hide in your basement.

I just do not think that makes sense. Sick people stay home vulnerable stay home, but life can go on otherwise. Its not bubonic plague
Self absorbed copers with an attitude like yours is the reason why this chit spread so fast in Italy and burned a hole in there in just a short time. I see retards in my country still going to Italy for skiing despite all the warnings coz "this can't happen to them" and "it's just a flu bro". I see Italian tourists still traveling like nothing is happening and potenitally infecting others and spreading the virus to other countries. It's an easily transmitable viral infection with a 14 day incubation period, meaning you might have it and not even show any symptoms and just pass it onto other people who are at higher risk and potentially die just like you see in Italy. It's not the end of the world but it's no joke either and is going to cost everyone. Economy is also gonna take a huge hit if this is not contained and people just refuse to quarantine and go willy nilly spreading it around like retards because "it's just the flu bro".

Quarantine is quarantine, be considerate to other people...
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Oh, I'm not panicking at all. I'm certainly interested in the topic, but mostly I'm delighted that a Miscer who has been struggling to grasp why this disease is a public health issue finally seems to be understanding the problem.



Mmm. Alternately, we live in an entitled and narcissistic society where people have never had to live with serious infectious disease outbreaks and can't wrap their head around the idea that this is a thing that happens and that they might have to change their behavior a bit temporarily to deal with it. "It's just the flu" because everything they've ever seen in their life...is just the flu.



The WHO currently pegs it around 20%, with 5% in intensive care.
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
Keep in mind the demographics and population of Italy.

Its not all doom and gloom. You are panicking way too much. Panic an appropriate amount brah.

They did cost benefit analysis. They would shut chit down asap if there was extreme worry
Cost benefit analysis = lock down entire country for “the flu”

Ok brah
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Originally Posted By ss367⏩
Cost benefit analysis = lock down entire country for “the flu”

Ok brah
See a couple of posts above. Italy isnotunder lockdown. That's the word the media uses, but it's not the right word to use.
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Originally Posted By mandarino⏩
Overall its a pretty good social experiment. People in todays age want to panic/quarantine/shut it all down as opposed to doing the first steps such as hygiene and being responsible.
If I had to guess, the people who are suggesting that is because they observe that there are a lot of people, who aren't being responsible.

There are miscers loling in threads about going on vacation. Travelling for pleasure overseas, rather than business, despite an entire country just quarantining itself.

I don't think it's the "Lol, I'm going on holiday" crowd who are calling for heavily infected cities/ares to be on lockdown. It's probably the handwashers, and preppers.
The reaction to the virus is worse than the actual virus.
If China (if the official stats are to believed) and South Korea didn't take the measures that they did, the rate of infection would undoubtedly be higher.

A lot of people seem to be confusing cause and effect. They see the figures going down in China and South Korea, and then seem to (falsely) conclude that the extreme measures played no part, the rate of infection didn't just spontaneously slow down.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Bro we survived the swine flu do you remember that in 2009?
Ladies and gentleman, eod8989.

Nothing could be greater evidence of my theory that the denialism consists entirely of people who are ready to completely mentally break if they have to deal with a moderately uncomfortable reality.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Originally Posted By eod8989⏩
Bro we survived the swine flu do you remember that in 2009?
575,000 deaths.. do you want a repeat of that?
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
Ladies and gentleman, eod8989.

Nothing could be greater evidence of my theory that the denialism consists entirely of people who are ready to completely mentally break if they have to deal with a moderately uncomfortable reality.
Imagine using a known troll to bolster an argument. I think you are better than that.

Edit : I would like to believe that the misc can generally self moderate themselves to the point where the chitposting ( not talking about the quoted post, just in general ), is contained to the chitposting thread. The last two pages of so of this thread is mostly slinging insults, strawman arguments, and cliche keywords around. I would like to think we can actually be better than that.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
See a couple of posts above. Italy isnotunder lockdown. That's the word the media uses, but it's not the right word to use.
From the Italian prime ministers own mouth - people are forbidden to gather in public.

All sporting events are cancelled.

Only emergency travel aloud

What would you call that?
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Originally Posted By ss367⏩
From the Italian prime ministers own mouth - people are forbidden to gather in public.

All sporting events are cancelled.

Only emergency travel aloud

What would you call that?
Scroll back to my post above, I don't want to type it all out again.

Wuhan is under lockdown ( that's Wuhan, not Hubei ), Italy isnot.

Edit : I do believe you should start posting in the other thread:

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=178112441
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