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Originally Posted By pogue⏩
I know it's a big ask, but maybe a sticky with *only* info, like your unemployment post, the tax thing, and anything useful that's curated at the top, with us contributing what we find, and then the everything else sticky.Hey guys, just FYI, I'm going to make a new coronavirus sticky and I'll merge this one into it, but I'll keep A1's post towards the top, but I want to consolidate the stickies I have about the staying safe online thread and where to look for jobs and your tax credit and put those all into one thread to keep the cluttered up stickies from clogging up the misc.
The wheels are already falling off these threads now, so I don't blame ya if you go hands off...
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04-19-2020, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
agreedI know it's a big ask, but maybe a sticky with *only* info, like your unemployment post, the tax thing, and anything useful that's curated at the top, with us contributing what we find, and then the everything else sticky.
The wheels are already falling off these threads now, so I don't blame ya if you go hands off...
The wheels are already falling off these threads now, so I don't blame ya if you go hands off...
04-19-2020, 08:42 PM
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Metroins-you get your SBA loan squared away? I heard they ran outta money, hope your bank pushed it through...
Chalup-I cannot remember what update I was curious about, but how's your situation?
Farley-Grandparents doing ok?
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My family (including at risk members) is still running their non-essential business. Kinda annoyed. They're dealing with the public and I decided not to visit them for the past month out of caution...and there they go exposing themselves. Fukking hell...
Chalup-I cannot remember what update I was curious about, but how's your situation?
Farley-Grandparents doing ok?
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My family (including at risk members) is still running their non-essential business. Kinda annoyed. They're dealing with the public and I decided not to visit them for the past month out of caution...and there they go exposing themselves. Fukking hell...
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Grandparents seem to have recovered. Grandpa I'm pretty sure would have been hospitalized in normal times but wasn't because it's not
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
glad to hear manGrandparents seem to have recovered. Grandpa I'm pretty sure would have been hospitalized in normal times but wasn't because it's not
04-19-2020, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Everything is good here. Still waiting on stimulus money's but guessing I'll just get a check. Mom is doing about 250 test a day now... Needs to be way more for the phase requirements. Guessing I won't be working til late May early June.Metroins-you get your SBA loan squared away? I heard they ran outta money, hope your bank pushed it through...
Chalup-I cannot remember what update I was curious about, but how's your situation?
Farley-Grandparents doing ok?
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My family (including at risk members) is still running their non-essential business. Kinda annoyed. They're dealing with the public and I decided not to visit them for the past month out of caution...and there they go exposing themselves. Fukking hell...
Chalup-I cannot remember what update I was curious about, but how's your situation?
Farley-Grandparents doing ok?
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My family (including at risk members) is still running their non-essential business. Kinda annoyed. They're dealing with the public and I decided not to visit them for the past month out of caution...and there they go exposing themselves. Fukking hell...
04-19-2020, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Thats what it was! Your stimulus. My bro's having a similar issue right now where either his check got sent to an address that doesn't exist or never sent at all, and there's zero indication on the irs website.Everything is good here. Still waiting on stimulus money's but guessing I'll just get a check. Mom is doing about 250 test a day now... Needs to be way more for the phase requirements. Guessing I won't be working til late May early June.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Great to hear man.Grandparents seem to have recovered. Grandpa I'm pretty sure would have been hospitalized in normal times but wasn't because it's not
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04-20-2020, 12:27 AM
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wtf?
Broadway Actor Nick Cordero Underwent Leg Amputation Following Coronavirus Complications, Says His Wife
https://www.newsweek.com/broadway-ac...ys-his-1498803
Broadway Actor Nick Cordero Underwent Leg Amputation Following Coronavirus Complications, Says His Wife
https://www.newsweek.com/broadway-ac...ys-his-1498803
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Chile's "recovered" numbers include deaths because "no longer contagious":
https://www.newsweek.com/chile-count...health-1497775
I would laugh if it wasn't so fekkin insane what's going on.
https://www.newsweek.com/chile-count...health-1497775
I would laugh if it wasn't so fekkin insane what's going on.
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04-20-2020, 12:46 AM
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Looking at numbers right now, was pretty happy with CA's performance in cases and deaths relative to our population. Then I check out testing data. Fukking hell, we have beat Kansas....and that's it, we are #49 in per capita testing. What in the actual fuk, we have San Fran, LA, huge homeless population, Disney Land, so much fukking risk it's unbelievable. The governor has been pretty forward acting so far and probably has prevented a catastrophe, but we might be sitting on a powder keg here unknown due to lack of testing. We are #3 in total tests performed, so perhaps there's a bottle neck holding up progress. Hm...
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Was having a look through the UK's Office of National Statistics March update on covid mortality.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...inginmarch2020
I was intrigued by this table, showing that the mortality rate in March was lower than the average for the past 5 years for that month. The ONS suggests that the higher mortality in previous Marches might be driven by some "cold winters" over that period.

So how does covid kill an extra 3,300 people in a month while the overall mortality rate decreases slightly? As you'd expect (mathematically), it's because some other causes of death (particularly cardiovascular conditions) dropped by a similar amount to the number of new covid deaths. Ie the same people died, but attributed to a different cause.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...inginmarch2020
I was intrigued by this table, showing that the mortality rate in March was lower than the average for the past 5 years for that month. The ONS suggests that the higher mortality in previous Marches might be driven by some "cold winters" over that period.

So how does covid kill an extra 3,300 people in a month while the overall mortality rate decreases slightly? As you'd expect (mathematically), it's because some other causes of death (particularly cardiovascular conditions) dropped by a similar amount to the number of new covid deaths. Ie the same people died, but attributed to a different cause.

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And when similar is reported for April, it will be all thanks to the lockdown.
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The likelyhood of long lasting effects seems more and more plausibe as more data comes out. Physical and mental effects in some cases, just like SARS.
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People talking about the peak being hit donΒ΄t see the bigger picture. There will likely be many peaks. Once we open up again there will be another peak and so on. If we go slowly down in numbers over a short peiod of times, itΒ΄s still very bad. For every new person that gets infected it will be harder to stop, actually impossible to stop. The media are downplaying it because no matter how bad the virus is, mass panic will always be worse. The virus might be here for many years, depending on when and if we find a cure/vaccine. For every person that gets infected the likelyhood of a bad mutation rises. There are already many different strains circulating the globe, and you can get infected by different strains at the same time as research shows.
Even if the numbers, which by the way we cannot trust, are slowing down it doesnΒ΄t mean things are getting better. Thats a false sense of security. As long as there are many thousands new infected every day, things will get worse and worse. Hitting the peak is a meme to comfort people that donΒ΄t know better. Since there have never been successfully developed a vaccine for coronaviruses, there might not be one for thi new one either. Well, maybe someday, but by then half the world population will have been infected, and hundreds of millions might suffer permanent damage, resulting in further economic disaster and civil unrest. There was an attempt to create a vaccine for the SARS virus, but the vaccine ended up killing the test animals because of the Antibody dependent mechanism of the virus. Resulting in an overreaction by the immune system, and the immune system donΒ΄t know how to cope so it starts to destroy the body from the inside out.
Many people think this will all be over soon, but things never go wrong until it does. Since we likely have 10+ million infected, it will be close to impossible to stop the spread. Borders will be shut down for years, maybe, and travel will not be possible for at least 8 months or so. As soon as people feel comfortable going out again, numbers will possibly spike again and again, and from there we will be in a long cirlce of death and frustration. It seems like some people think the virus will just magically dissapear, pooohf gone. Good luck with that when it has confirmed to infect rats, cats, dogs, and likely every other animal in the book.
We will see the biggest economic decline in all of history. The pandemic has just begun. The clock is ticking.
Even if the numbers, which by the way we cannot trust, are slowing down it doesnΒ΄t mean things are getting better. Thats a false sense of security. As long as there are many thousands new infected every day, things will get worse and worse. Hitting the peak is a meme to comfort people that donΒ΄t know better. Since there have never been successfully developed a vaccine for coronaviruses, there might not be one for thi new one either. Well, maybe someday, but by then half the world population will have been infected, and hundreds of millions might suffer permanent damage, resulting in further economic disaster and civil unrest. There was an attempt to create a vaccine for the SARS virus, but the vaccine ended up killing the test animals because of the Antibody dependent mechanism of the virus. Resulting in an overreaction by the immune system, and the immune system donΒ΄t know how to cope so it starts to destroy the body from the inside out.
Many people think this will all be over soon, but things never go wrong until it does. Since we likely have 10+ million infected, it will be close to impossible to stop the spread. Borders will be shut down for years, maybe, and travel will not be possible for at least 8 months or so. As soon as people feel comfortable going out again, numbers will possibly spike again and again, and from there we will be in a long cirlce of death and frustration. It seems like some people think the virus will just magically dissapear, pooohf gone. Good luck with that when it has confirmed to infect rats, cats, dogs, and likely every other animal in the book.
We will see the biggest economic decline in all of history. The pandemic has just begun. The clock is ticking.
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah⏩
Fixed.Flucels not interested in facts and numbers as usual.
Ok let's keep sperging.
Ok let's keep sperging.
Based on Worldometers, UK had 1,789 Corona deaths on 31st March, and now they have 16,060 so far. The number of daily victims is slowly decreasing - maybe -, but it's still far from over and we can estimate and additional 3-4,000 victims by the end of the month.
From the article you linked:
Between 1 and 31 March 2020, there were 47,358 deaths that occurred in England and Wales and were registered by 6 April 2020. Of these, 8% involved the coronavirus (COVID-19) (3,912 deaths). The doctor certifying a death can list all causes in the chain of events that led to the death and pre-existing conditions that may have contributed to the death. Using this information, we determine an underlying cause of death. More information on this process can be found in our user guide. In the majority of cases (3,372 deaths, 86%) when COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate, it was found to be the underlying cause of death.
Hope you can work out your "facts and numbers".
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Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
EIDL: SBA checked my credit today, hopefully I am getting ready to be processed. I read they capped the loans at 15k which does almost nothing for us.Metroins-you get your SBA loan squared away? I heard they ran outta money, hope your bank pushed it through...
EIDL 10K Advance: Have not received yet.
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Self Employed Unemployment: Received none. Submitted my business tax returns to unemployment office last week.
We go back to work May 4th at 30%ish revenues virtually. I have applied for every program on day 1 of its opening.
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Originally Posted By Kewbrah⏩
Total covid deaths for UK for month of March (numbers as of today) shows 1,789So how does covid kill an extra 3,300 people in a month
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
And here we are 20 days later at 16,060...
So where do you get 3,300 from?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Idk. Pretty sure that report says 43.3k people died not because of COVID. Did you read?You didn't get the memo.
No one would die if it weren't for COVID19. Ever.
No one would die if it weren't for COVID19. Ever.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
It's from the ONS site he linkedTotal covid deaths for UK for month of March (numbers as of today) shows 1,789
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
And here we are 20 days later at 16,060...
So where do you get 3,300 from?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
And here we are 20 days later at 16,060...
So where do you get 3,300 from?
There were 3,912 deaths involving the coronavirus (COVID-19) that occurred in March 2020 in England and Wales; of these, 3,372 (86%) had COVID-19 assigned as the underlying cause of death.
Although he missed the part from later on:
This article contains detailed analysis of all deaths that occurred in England and Wales between 1 and 31 March 2020, registered up to 6 April 2020, where the coronavirus (COVID-19) was involved.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Good to hear!Grandparents seem to have recovered. Grandpa I'm pretty sure would have been hospitalized in normal times but wasn't because it's not
Originally Posted By Johnez⏩
Or perhaps there aren't a lot of sick people in CA so they haven't needed to do as much testing? CA is a sun state so that correlation continues to be more and more relevant as covid moves through the USALooking at numbers right now, was pretty happy with CA's performance in cases and deaths relative to our population. Then I check out testing data. Fukking hell, we have beat Kansas....and that's it, we are #49 in per capita testing. What in the actual fuk, we have San Fran, LA, huge homeless population, Disney Land, so much fukking risk it's unbelievable. The governor has been pretty forward acting so far and probably has prevented a catastrophe, but we might be sitting on a powder keg here unknown due to lack of testing. We are #3 in total tests performed, so perhaps there's a bottle neck holding up progress. Hm...
04-20-2020, 09:37 AM
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Can't find significant disagreement with this based on current information. Some particulars maybe, but not the overall theme.Long bleak post.
It does trigger me to share the idea of "first in, first out".
If herd immunity is the way out of this then it would be rational to relocate to or invest in an area that has already been hit hard by the virus once the caseload there has verifiably maintained a downward trend for a decent interval.
Reminds me of the parable of the hare that survives the wildfire. Encountered that in a Terry Pratchett novel.
As fire sweeps across a field the hare that lives leaps into the flames to the other side where the field has already been burnt.
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Family member got results back over the weekend and tested positive. They did go to urgent care after coughing up blood but before the positive result came in and were prescribed Azithromycin (Z-Pack) and Benzonatate - I think this was diagnosed as Covid-19 related bacterial pneumonia but I'm not 100% certain on that. Current symptoms are dry cough in the day and night but with grey phlegm in the mornings, fever and chills, muscle aches, extreme fatigue, taste and smell has been gone for days but apparently back this morning.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
This is tremendous news! Thank you for the update.Grandparents seem to have recovered. Grandpa I'm pretty sure would have been hospitalized in normal times but wasn't because it's not
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no hcq?Family member got results back over the weekend and tested positive. They did go to urgent care after coughing up blood but before the positive result came in and were prescribed Azithromycin (Z-Pack) and Benzonatate - I think this was diagnosed as Covid-19 related bacterial pneumonia but I'm not 100% certain on that. Current symptoms are dry cough in the day and night but with grey phlegm in the mornings, fever and chills, muscle aches, extreme fatigue, taste and smell has been gone for days but apparently back this morning.
This is tremendous news! Thank you for the update.
This is tremendous news! Thank you for the update.
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