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post 1633073903 03-06-2021, 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
was planning to buy some TSLA but chickened out, hoping it dips even more so I can buy

ended up buying Apple @ $120.6 (boring I know)
i'd be surprised if it dips more

it was oversold on the daily which is quite significant
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post 1633075663 03-06-2021, 04:34 AM
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Get ready for the slingshot move up to 40,000 DJIA
post 1633075983 03-06-2021, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted By smashedurgfx10⏩
i'd be surprised if it dips more

it was oversold on the daily which is quite significant
whether tsla dips more or not, I'll be putting more money into it progressively. This month I don't have enough cash that I'm willing to risk. I'm going to be in tsla for the long term so it should be fine
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post 1633076823 03-06-2021, 05:18 AM
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post 1633077953 03-06-2021, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
whether tsla dips more or not, I'll be putting more money into it progressively. This month I don't have enough cash that I'm willing to risk. I'm going to be in tsla for the long term so it should be fine
My man. I am heavily invested in ARK funds, and have been told that they are 5-10 year outlooks funds. So, we have to be very patient, but, hopefully, are rewarded handsomely.
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post 1633079033 03-06-2021, 06:40 AM
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that stimulus bill moving along... when that hit the market we are going to have 1 maybe 2 SOLID weeks (let's pray)

x2 with tsla

a lot of hate about tsla and btc but tsla is more than a car company and crypto currency is going to be the future (maybe not btc).

also, amc and gme inching closer to the 16-19 of the month is going to leave us some some gains - they have to cover their short positions sooner rather than later... interest on shorted positions keep going up.
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post 1633080423 03-06-2021, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted By PattBattmann⏩
My man. I am heavily invested in ARK funds, and have been told that they are 5-10 year outlooks funds. So, we have to be very patient, but, hopefully, are rewarded handsomely.
What makes Ark better/different than any of the other well performing ETFs (QQQ, SPDY, VOO)? Ark boomed this year due to being a newer ETF, but over the long term horizon is it really going to out perform those other big time ETFs? Not to mention Ark has the highest expense ratio.
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Originally Posted By camaleom⏩
that stimulus bill moving along... when that hit the market we are going to have 1 maybe 2 SOLID weeks (let's pray)

x2 with tsla

a lot of hate about tsla and btc but tsla is more than a car company and crypto currency is going to be the future (maybe not btc).

also, amc and gme inching closer to the 16-19 of the month is going to leave us some some gains - they have to cover their short positions sooner rather than later... interest on shorted positions keep going up.
Shhh dont say tesla is more than a car company.. the resident boomers dont like it. But MUHHH Ford
post 1633084183 03-06-2021, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted By bremer45⏩
What makes Ark better/different than any of the other well performing ETFs (QQQ, SPDY, VOO)? Ark boomed this year due to being a newer ETF, but over the long term horizon is it really going to out perform those other big time ETFs? Not to mention Ark has the highest expense ratio.
I think with ARK advocates it is part network effect/performance chasing, part advertising, and part belief in Cathie Woods. But historical data is not on its side and there is some strong irony when you see advocates use phrases like "it's a 5-10 year play" as you've seen just in this thread. The troubling issue is that active funds (particularly ETFs) tend to fall victim to their success and the bigger they are the harder it is to continue beating the market.

If youlook at active funds historicallysince 2003 between 80-95% have either failed to beat the market over 3-10 year periods, shut the fund down completely, or simply rebranded themselves and started the fund over. And for those that believe in Cathie herself, when you look at herprevious track recordat AllianceBerstein it was hardly game changing. I mean maybe this time it is different? But the odds are clearly not in ARK's favor.

disclaimer: I still hold a position in ARKF
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post 1633084403 03-06-2021, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted By plebmaximus⏩
whether tsla dips more or not, I'll be putting more money into it progressively. This month I don't have enough cash that I'm willing to risk. I'm going to be in tsla for the long term so it should be fine
I think investing in a stock the CEO themselves say is overvalued isn't the best idea tbh. TSLA will go up in the longterm but i wouldn't be surprised if it crashes further and goes back up very slowly. Then again he's said that before and the stock value doubled so do what you think is best.
post 1633085143 03-06-2021, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted By thetrebel⏩
Hahah hell yeah that was me. Hell I think even remember the pattern it was breakout triangle. Good times.
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post 1633085433 03-06-2021, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted By bremer45⏩
What makes Ark better/different than any of the other well performing ETFs (QQQ, SPDY, VOO)? Ark boomed this year due to being a newer ETF, but over the long term horizon is it really going to out perform those other big time ETFs? Not to mention Ark has the highest expense ratio.
https://www.etfrc.com/funds/overlap.php

77% of QQQ's holdings are in VOO

13% of ARKK's holdings are in VOO

From a high level, VOO is the most important stock market index; QQQ is largely the same as VOO but with more weight towards tech/communications companies; ARKK is an almost entirely different set of holdings. ARKK has a higher expense ratio than QQQ, but I'd argue you actually get more value from paying that expense ratio in terms of portfolio diversification (you're paying someone to analyze securities and get companies into your portfolio that you can't just buy with VOO/QQQ). I won't get into any of ARKK's actual holdings, but just from a diversification standpoint, you get a ton of companies into your portfolio that you otherwise wouldn't have and can't just buy with an index fund. In some sense, I think ARK is setting the "index" for high-growth (20%+ annual growth) companies - ARK literally is becoming the market when it comes to capital allocation for companies in these developing industries.
post 1633085583 03-06-2021, 09:05 AM
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More than just Elon saying the stock is too high, the company itself was dumping new shares on investors at like $400

Issuing new shares isn’t free of risk as more float dilutes financial metrics like EPS, so you know the company already thinks it was overvalued at $400ish to the point where they were willing to risk diluting key financial metrics to buy Bitcoin and shore up their balance sheet.

IMO you should be looking for companies so undervalued that they’re buying back shares, not companies so overvalued that they’re looking to take advantage of it by issuing new ones. With all the potential opportunities out there you could put funds to, it’s hard to imagine why you’d go for the latter from an investing standpoint

And since share buybacks are a way of returning capital to investors, new share issues would really be a way of reducing the power of your capital. The intrinsic value of the company doesn’t change regardless of what the stock price says, and you now own a smaller chunk of that company than you did before the new shares were issued
post 1633086703 03-06-2021, 09:25 AM
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Me the past 3 weeks





honest opinions on ABNB and DIS? My portfolio consists mostly of meme, EV, clean energy & hype stocks thats why i have taken a pummeling and lost a years salary this past month. im down 50% on BB, 40% on XPEV and much more. want to rebalance my portfolio. all advice is welcome!
post 1633087833 03-06-2021, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
i agree it's still overvalued right now. the cult behind it is too stronk. not a fanboy but i like the company and what it has done. we have to be honest tho they no longer have monopoly in the EV market. there are better options out there. i'd get a porsche taycan or audi etron gt or even lucid once they start producing.

once tesla solar + powerwall improves, it's gonna be revolutionary. i hope they do because i want to install that chit + satellite internet (starlink/tesla or whoever is the cheapest by then) in my new house.
Tesla's end game is going to be pretty nuts I think, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up having large control over the power grid sometime in the next couple decades (srs)

Electrification of everything, automation of everything, distributed generation + energy storage, those are some needed themes for our biggest companies
post 1633089533 03-06-2021, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
i agree it's still overvalued right now. the cult behind it is too stronk. not a fanboy but i like the company and what it has done. we have to be honest tho they no longer have monopoly in the EV market. there are better options out there. i'd get a porsche taycan or audi etron gt or even lucid once they start producing.

once tesla solar + powerwall improves, it's gonna be revolutionary. i hope they do because i want to install that chit + satellite internet (starlink/tesla or whoever is the cheapest by then) in my new house.
you lost me at theres better options out there.

the best engineers on planet earth have been lured to work there by Elon.

its akin to like 2006-2012 Apple where no other company could even get close to what they are doing because their engineers were way more powerful and enabled.

just because Audi or Porsche exist, doesn't necessarily mean they are or will be better options.

that tall ass sedan looking Tesla they have is probably the most “it” car on the streets right now. its like the new Mercedes. if you are rich but don't want to show off too hard but also want to virtue signal a bit with your wealth you buy that car lol.
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Senate just passed $1.9T stimulus. Now back to the house.

Market moons on Monday.
There is no they…
post 1633091183 03-06-2021, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By SouthDakotaBrah⏩
Tesla's end game is going to be pretty nuts I think, I wouldn't be surprised if they end up having large control over the power grid sometime in the next couple decades (srs)

Electrification of everything, automation of everything, distributed generation + energy storage, those are some needed themes for our biggest companies
this...

they are investing in space, batteries, solar panel, etc... THAT is the future the oil industry has its days counted - at some point all those cuts aren't going to do zhit to oil prices
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post 1633091263 03-06-2021, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
Senate just passed $1.9T stimulus. Now back to the house.

Market moons on Monday.
my angus is ready

btw: better set that alarm clock at 3.50am Monday...
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
Senate just passed $1.9T stimulus. Now back to the house.

Market moons on Monday.
It could happen. Yet my stance on the narrative is still neutral till it happens because we have been talking about it for weeks so it may be priced in to a degree. We may still stagnate and go sideways and stumble a bit so I personally will keep neutral till that moment.
post 1633092873 03-06-2021, 11:24 AM
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Fossil fuelsshouldhave its days counted, but it'll be a lot of days. Transitioning dependence away from 100,000,000 barrels per day of consumption will require decades of work and oil will be the reality in the interim. I'm happy to be part of providing what the world needs within regulatory framework that holds our projects to insanely high environmental standards -- I've been on jobs where we stopped work due to toad migrations and two tablespoons of any spilled liquid requires investigation and reporting.

Even as wealthy Western / Euro countries move further away from oil, basically all population growth is happening in Asia and Africa where many are barely at the front end of the fossil fuel adoption curve. Hopefully they can spend less time on it, but those areas will almost certainly be huge drivers of oil demand going forward and I don't think there's really any changing it, their economics aren't as robust as ours and they can't devote all this money to subsidizing the deployment of immature technology.


The future of power generation is also anything but certain. IMO nuclear is the only truly feasible non-O&G solution that'll provide the steady, reliable power the world needs. Renewables and batteries aren't gonna cut it, certainly not in all parts of the world and not as our power demands increase between tech advancements, population growth, and further development of Asia and Africa
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
The future of power generation is also anything but certain. IMO nuclear is the only truly feasible non-O&G solution that'll provide the steady, reliable power the world needs. Renewables and batteries aren't gonna cut it, certainly not in all parts of the world and not as our power demands increase between tech advancements, population growth, and further development of Asia and Africa
you contradicting yourself:
Originally Posted By Destor⏩
their economics aren't as robust as ours and they can't devote all this money to subsidizing the deployment of immature technology.
minus the immature part

also nuclear is not going to be achieved by third world countries for security reasons... easier to sell it oil barrels or batterie packs
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
It could happen. Yet my stance on the narrative is still neutral till it happens because we have been talking about it for weeks so it may be priced in to a degree. We may still stagnate and go sideways and stumble a bit so I personally will keep neutral till that moment.
kinda agreed on the priced in... maybe the 2 drops we had back to back was the market taking profits accounting for the stim money coming in

we will see how futures open on sunday
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This market will pump one more time from stim bill then it's going bigly down.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
you lost me at theres better options out there.

the best engineers on planet earth have been lured to work there by Elon.

its akin to like 2006-2012 Apple where no other company could even get close to what they are doing because their engineers were way more powerful and enabled.

just because Audi or Porsche exist, doesn't necessarily mean they are or will be better options.

that tall ass sedan looking Tesla they have is probably the most “it” car on the streets right now. its like the new Mercedes. if you are rich but don't want to show off too hard but also want to virtue signal a bit with your wealth you buy that car lol.
Bro when I phone came out it didn't have flash and you couldn't copy and paste and missing a bunch of other basic features.

It literally had better competition since year 1.


It was succesful for other reasons. Mainly because it's easy to influence people
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Originally Posted By dmaaack⏩
This market will pump one more time from stim bill then it's going bigly down.
Ah yes, the "one last pump" that we've all been hearing about for 10 months now.
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Originally Posted By dmaaack⏩
This market will pump one more time from stim bill then it's going bigly down.
Hopefully it brings back the $7k I lost over the last 3 weeks.
There is no they…
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Originally Posted By dmaaack⏩
This market will pump one more time from stim bill then it's going bigly down.
We have known about the $1.9T Stimulus since election finished.

Stock market prices these things ahead of time.

Kinda whats its doing right now with these rotations to fully open economy in few months.


Nobody has crystal ball.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
More than just Elon saying the stock is too high, the company itself was dumping new shares on investors at like $400

Issuing new shares isn’t free of risk as more float dilutes financial metrics like EPS, so you know the company already thinks it was overvalued at $400ish to the point where they were willing to risk diluting key financial metrics to buy Bitcoin and shore up their balance sheet.

IMO you should be looking for companies so undervalued that they’re buying back shares, not companies so overvalued that they’re looking to take advantage of it by issuing new ones. With all the potential opportunities out there you could put funds to, it’s hard to imagine why you’d go for the latter from an investing standpoint

Andsince share buybacks are a way of returning capital to investors , new share issues would really be a way of reducing the power of your capital. The intrinsic value of the company doesn’t change regardless of what the stock price says, and you now own a smaller chunk of that company than you did before the new shares were issued
Share buybacks are a form of returning equity, not capital to stockholders.
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Originally Posted By dmaaack⏩
This market will pump one more time from stim bill then it's going bigly down.
I think JPow has convinced wallstreet that they are going to ignore inflation and they should just keep riding the bubble until it gets bad enough to devalue the dollar.
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