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post 1634857893 03-28-2021, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted By CoolKnees⏩
The more money you make the less you do. Funny how that works out.
this isn't true in majority of cases tbh... whish it was. I personally know a ceo and man do they work hard. Sleep by 8pm wake up 2:30 am (based in pst time), constant meetings, conferences, non stop travelling etc.... takes a toll on you.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
I am 23 years old, I have 1.5 years of experience post-graduating and 8 months combined internships throughout my bachelor. All in software dev. I still do some dev as I am transitioning via shadowing as well. But I am a dev from a grad scheme and I am doing the BA equivalent of that. No downgrade.


I hate the corporate jungle as, unlike lawyer/medicine, it is more of a jungle than set paths. But from observations / trying to decode/rationalise it seems like there are two paths:


BA ---> Senior versions ---> Product/Project Manager types ---> Beyond

Software Developer (whatever sub-speciality, excluding admin/IT support as that, is not even in the industry) ---> Senior Software Developer ---> Software Developer Manager ---> Beyond


I just feel the former progresses faster and is considered more important for some reason. I also think the work will be better as I will not be stuck in some specific technical segment. And as you have said if I have a personality and I actually have some understanding how a business requirement translates to a proper feature and surrounding technologies, I can shine a bit more than the random non-techie.
agree with your general assessment OP. much harder to move up that way on the software dev side, the manager/ez street pipeline is much better the BA route, esp if there is a technical element involved and it borders on some sort of BI/DS

only benefit of software dev is prob easier to find jobs of the sort more easily/stably, not that its crazily difficult for BA or anything

grats OPie best of luck dont listen to the copecel unemployed *******s
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Originally Posted By ftbwtb⏩
this isn't true in majority of cases tbh... whish it was. I personally know a ceo and man do they work hard. Sleep by 8pm wake up 2:30 am (based in pst time), constant meetings, conferences, non stop travelling etc.... takes a toll on you.
1. Your example is an anecdote and it is very common to be a very hard worker when you are also the founder.

That is why I will continue to code to attempt to create a business.

2. When you are a BA/Product manager you still work you have responsibility. Maybe I worded it wrong and just software development is simply too narrow in a business scenario. Whereas you have more visibility as a BA and are more on top hence why your work is seen as more pivotal.
Originally Posted By yumaddamuy⏩
agree with your general assessment OP. much harder to move up that way on the software dev side, the manager/ez street pipeline is much better the BA route, esp if there is a technical element involved and it borders on some sort of BI/DS

only benefit of software dev is prob easier to find jobs of the sort more easily/stably, not that its crazily difficult for BA or anything

grats OPie best of luck dont listen to the copecel unemployed *******s
Thanks, I thought I was crazy but just more general management skills, more communication skills and being on the top surface of technology seems to work out in "strategic leadership" positions which are where Head of/Directors/Executives land.


E.g some bull****ter talking about migrating to the Cloud. I can talk about that and I legit understand and know which tools/providers (AWS, Firebase etc) we should look into and what hurdles we will face.
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post 1634859963 03-28-2021, 05:57 PM
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There aren't very many product managers, however.

Moving between companies every few years is not at all uncommon until you find your dream position. Keep going for it, and congrats for your new role!
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
There aren't very many product managers, however.

Moving between companies every few years is not at all uncommon until you find your dream position. Keep going for it, and congrats for your new role!
well yes but BA positions widely available

but mathematically speaking Product managers have multiple senior/non-senior software developers so the ratio is skewed


but so is that of software engineering manager but **** that
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post 1634860993 03-28-2021, 06:13 PM
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Looool no offense, OP, but you sound like another naive recent college grad who thinks he has the world figured out 2 years into his career. If the business side makes you happy, then good on you for making the move to something you enjoy more. That said, there's plenty of "non-autists" who "have a personality" in finance/business that never get close to what your aspirations are - just fair warning. There's a reason why really smart people opt for high floor fields like medicine/law/engineering - corporate politics are no joke & not something always in your control. Best of luck to you, but if you're expecting to make the C-suite just because you're "social" or think it's that easy to get promoted past a certain point, chances are you're going to be very, very disappointed.
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BA is a tough role, you have to wrestle with quite a lot of ambiguity, developers who don't give a chit about what you do and clients who expect you to be a mind reader and put no effort in. Software requirements is very underappreciated unfortunately.
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Originally Posted By SOcuteLOVEthat⏩
also LOL @ 1st yr business analyst comparing his path to sundar pichai

to go from indian immigrant family to CEO of top 5 company in the world means you are a legit genius visionary and smart in ways an average wagecuck like you cannot understand srs.
This lmao. I love how every single person in business thinks they are going to be wildly successful and move up lmaooo. ****s so hilarious. I’ve seen it so many times and it makes me laugh every single time. Bump this thread in 5 years and let’s see if you still think business with all the diksucking and politics and boring ass meetings constantly with a bunch of fuking retards pretending to be important and contribute while slowing everything down > tech.
post 1634862843 03-28-2021, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted By imbeingcereal⏩
Looool no offense, OP, but you sound like another naive recent college grad who thinks he has the world figured out 2 years into his career. If the business side makes you happy, then good on you for making the move to something you enjoy more. That said, there's plenty of "non-autists" who "have a personality" in finance/business that never get close to what your aspirations are - just fair warning. There's a reason why really smart people opt for high floor fields like medicine/law/engineering - corporate politics are no joke & not something always in your control. Best of luck to you, but if you're expecting to make the C-suite just because you're "social" or think it's that easy to get promoted past a certain point, chances are you're going to be very, very disappointed.
I have an offer for medicine as well. I am just exploring a low-cost path in the meantime. Stop assuming who is naive or who is smart or making me look like I am a kid with a business admin degree who reposts hustle photos on Instagram.


I mentioned a page back that I might go 180 degrees and leave corporate (although you also mentioned law, where everything outside the public sector is corporate law).

You mentioned engineering in that trio so I will just split it into software development and real engineering. In both, the smart ones who stay into that - they deal with politics as well.


I never said C-Suite works out if you do X route, speak Y stuff and do Z work. It absolutely doesn't - it is 50% right place right time at least.

But what I did say is that it usually works out better in the average case and in the average case you do less deep technical work and more surface which can be more interesting and possibly more promotions.


It is just me being smart not breaking my back learning all new tech stuff and specialising in what I am told to without any independent creation. I can do that myself outside work in projects I think are beneficial to keep my skills.
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post 1634863153 03-28-2021, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted By ralphlaurenbrah⏩
This lmao. I love how every single person in business thinks they are going to be wildly successful and move up lmaooo. ****s so hilarious. I’ve seen it so many times and it makes me laugh every single time. Bump this thread in 5 years and let’s see if you still think business with all the diksucking and politics and boring ass meetings constantly with a bunch of fuking retards pretending to be important and contribute while slowing everything down > tech.
Please look at the above, I never said this is business. Just a business analyst/product manager in tech compared to the software developer. It results in a better overall career both importance-wise and socioeconomically-wise.


Software developers also feel like this, as this is how I feel working on a small technical segment. Yes, it is tangible but such specific detail.


You are right about delusional people thinking CEO is all about the grind and stuff. But from the tech perspective - BA/product manager gets closer on average to that. Don't act dev tech is something outside the corporate world.


It is not rocket science. I thought as a CRNA you would understand but you weren't smart enough to get an offer from a medical school like me.
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post 1634863743 03-28-2021, 06:52 PM
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Atta boy OP surely copying what other people have done in their career will lead to a prosperous future.

Or is this the kind of BS thinking everyone with a lick of experience realizes is toxic to corporate culture?
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Nice, I know you've been thinking about making the switch for a while! Proud of you.
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Originally Posted By Masterchieffer⏩
Atta boy OP surely copying what other people have done in their career will lead to a prosperous future.

Or is this the kind of BS thinking everyone with a lick of experience realizes is toxic to corporate culture?
Can you please elaborate a bit better on what you saying...

This is not something original... literally, nothing in the corporate world is.

I explained several times why this, on average, results in better outcomes than what I left...
Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Nice, I know you've been thinking about making the switch for a while! Proud of you.
Cheers mate!

I am not done yet - this is an interim just to escape the ballz deep coding. And explore it as a possible permanent route in that side of the tech world.


Switching to:

a) law

b) medicine

c) mgmt consulting

d) investment banking

e) teacher (private school)


is still on the table.
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post 1634864803 03-28-2021, 07:05 PM
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Graduated last year and Gonna be applying to Swe

Should I not even do it
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OP that's not really the "business" side. Go get an Executive MBA if you want to do the business side and be a $10k/day CEO.
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Originally Posted By conics⏩
Graduated last year and Gonna be applying to Swe

Should I not even do it
I never said it sucks bad. But look into that BA side. Or try it out to get some experience, maybe in a few different specialisations - Android, cyber sec, data science.
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Originally Posted By mkx1775⏩
OP that's not really the "business" side. Go get an Executive MBA if you want to do the business side and be a $10k/day CEO.
But that's positions you work in pre-MBA and post-MBA. Or software developer fully technical then MBA and then these positions. Then you have chief data/information/technology/product officer etc.

Otherwise, can you please elaborate with specifics as I have done the research and it came out like that?

If you are talking about something like Sales. Yes that is very business, very client-oriented but that is like leaving tech (no BA in tech) altogether and going into sales. Sales in tech is still sales - just software sales.
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Originally Posted By conics⏩
Graduated last year and Gonna be applying to Swe

Should I not even do it
dep what youre looking for. everyone is different, some people love coding all day with noone bothering them. listen to some pods while debugging and chill with a nice stable job. what OPie said his goals are seem to be maximized by BA path IMO, but doesnt mean its the best for everyone or that something like it isnt possible in swe route
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Congrats and good luck, but sounds horrible.

Could never go back to the corp world. Feel like a cuck slave regardless of how much money you're on.

Atleast on the sales side you can get away with being a little wild. Tech can also get away with less cuckery as they're expected to be autistic. Business side is cuck central with 70% of ops just trying to look busy, full of useless plebs generally.

As a tech BA you will spend most of your time explaining the autists to the cucks. Fook that life.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
-- Did an internship at Big Tech and did a job in a financial institution on the tech side.

-- Coding, especially Android, can be very fun if the project is from scratch.

-- 75-80% industry opportunities DO NOT have this, have a lot of established codebase learning and **** work, such as migrating tech or configuration.

-- Sometimes you have new projects, but design/creative **** is either in joining start-ups or creating one (risks are stability and pay).


-- Switching to Business Analyst* is great if you are not autistic and can be sociable and blubber like a politician. I even have a tech background.

-- You do less complex work and you end up getting promoted whilst not being stuck clawing through error logs.

-- All directors in tech (look up Google CEO) probably have never coded in their lives and they have History degrees from Stanford and then save face with a good MBA.


Just work hard and enjoy the meritocracy of life. Not srs


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*promotion track is to Product Manager and **** like that compared to Software Engineer - Software Engineering Manager (ceiling).
Wouldn’t your ceiling be CTO?

Grats brah!! I wish I could code. Might start trying to learn on the side. I know the basics of html and css
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Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
Wouldn’t your ceiling be CTO?

Grats brah!! I wish I could code. Might start trying to learn on the side. I know the basics of html and css
the ceiling can be CTO in both pipelines but it is already ppurely based on luck

just even more difficult from software developer manager compared to its Head business roles
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Originally Posted By Imaneya⏩
Congrats and good luck, but sounds horrible.

Could never go back to the corp world. Feel like a cuck slave regardless of how much money you're on.

Atleast on the sales side you can get away with being a little wild. Tech can also get away with less cuckery as they're expected to be autistic. Business side is cuck central with 70% of ops just trying to look busy, full of useless plebs generally.

As a tech BA you will spend most of your time explaining the autists to the cucks. Fook that life.
agree

but the tech life is worse
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Originally Posted By 97Camry4Lyfe⏩
I work as a marketing analyst. Literally just bought a course on how to communicate with people b/c the higher up I go, the more I realize that I need a stronger ability to shoot the **** with people. I choke up a lot with women so thats something I need to work on
yeah also having a rich general knowledge accumen helps
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