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post 1648994853 10-15-2021, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This table 5?




That's why the denominator matters. Look like less <50, with a much larger pool. The majority of people are vaccinated, so the denominator is much larger for the vaccinated group. How many people over 50 are vaccinated? How many unvaccinated? 1500/several million is a lower proportion than 500/several hundred thousand, for example.

I don't see a table 17 in the latest one.
But hospitalizations should be going down..not up. That’s not safe & effective..
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
you do not understand how the immune system works
Perhaps you can explain?
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Originally Posted By Paul
But hospitalizations should be going down..not up. That’s not safe & effective..
But there are several times more hospitalization in the unvaccinated group, which is comprised of much fewer people.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Much lower risk compared to COVID and comes with the benefit of allowing chit to open up, not missing 1-2 weeks of work on showing symptoms, etc
cant tell if cereal srs

You trolling bruh? or you just sheepwalking
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The vaccines come with the same but reduced risks of the virus itself. If you're younger and healthier, you're also at lower risk of complications from the vaccines.

SARS-CoV-2 itself comes with a higher risk of myocarditis, pericarditis, clotting, etc etc
Originally Posted By knightofday⏩
cant tell if cereal srs

You trolling bruh? or you just sheepwalking
Argue your point, don't bother with lame insults
post 1648995103 10-15-2021, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
But there are several times more hospitalization in the unvaccinated group, which is comprised of much fewer people.
Not deaths..
post 1648995483 10-15-2021, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Perhaps you can explain?
ok when you get an infection the first time , you go through it and develop a primary response Antibodies and a secondary response T cells and Memory cells.

over time the antibodies will naturally wane as you are no longer infected, if they did not wane and you had constant antibodies to all the illnesses you were immune to all the time ..........You would be Dead!

if the virus comes back after your antibodies have waned then of course you will get a re infection as your immune system takes a while to recognize it and respond and to produce more antibodies , this will generally be short lived or un noticed and your system will deal with it.

All constant boosters do is keep your body in high alert for long period of time .............this is not sustainable if they are needed every few months . eventually you HAVE TO CATCH the actual virus and you will
post 1648995943 10-15-2021, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Not deaths..
Denominator and timing both matter.
post 1648996193 10-15-2021, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
ok when you get an infection the first time , you go through it and develop a primary response Antibodies and a secondary response T cells and Memory cells.

over time the antibodies will naturally wane as you are no longer infected, if they did not wane and you had constant antibodies to all the illnesses you were immune to all the time ..........You would be Dead!

if the virus comes back after your antibodies have waned then of course you will get a re infection as your immune system takes a while to recognize it and respond and to produce more antibodies , this will generally be short lived or un noticed and your system will deal with it.

All constant boosters do is keep your body in high alert for long period of time .............this is not sustainable if they are needed every few months . eventually you HAVE TO CATCH the actual virus and you will
Yeah,

Most of that is no different than anything I stated. Except you seem to suggest no T- and B-cell programming from vaccines.

It might be possible that boosters will be offered during the pandemic rather than a lifetime commitment.
post 1648996333 10-15-2021, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yeah,

Most of that is no different than anything I stated.

You also get T- and B-cell programming from vaccines.

It might be possible that boosters will be offered during the pandemic rather than a lifetime commitment.
but the vaccine response is not as broad as the natural, which is why it fades to quickly......who knows the long term effects of these vaccines on your body long term.................................NO ONE
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
but the vaccine response is not as broad as the natural, which is why it fades to quickly......who knows the long term effects of these vaccines on your body long term.................................NO ONE
post 1648996753 10-15-2021, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
yep enjoy
post 1648996883 10-15-2021, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Friendly reminder not to engage the drunk vaxcel troll.
yeah i sorta did a bit...oh well
post 1648997103 10-15-2021, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
yeah i sorta did a bit...oh well


post 1648997373 10-15-2021, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩


you actually conceded with Elmo , case closed
post 1648997483 10-15-2021, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth⏩
you actually conceded with Elmo , case closed
Only because you bailed and pulled the chute with the long term effects tactic.
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Canada's adverse reaction tracker has 17,982 total events out of 56,151,862 doses or a rate of 0.032%. Serious adverse events total 4,675 or 0.008% of all doses administered.



Doesn't even show up on my risk register
Cant wait for next year's report of heart diseases this year doubling or tripling in comparison to last year, only for people to blame it on covid lol.



Also, better to take chances with Covid, considering age and that you have to catch it first. Would rather take the risk of covid which is virtually 0
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post 1649004273 10-15-2021, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
Cant wait for next year's report of heart diseases this year doubling or tripling in comparison to last year, only for people to blame it on covid lol.



Also, better to take chances with Covid, considering age and that you have to catch it first. Would rather take the risk of covid which is virtually 0
Which risk of covid is "virtually 0"?

The incidence of long covid and similar effects appears to be much higher than 0.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Which risk of covid is "virtually 0"?

The incidence of long covid and similar effects appears to be much higher than 0.
"Virtually", as in "practically" 0. And in 30 years old that are in great shape, it is exactly that.
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post 1649007043 10-15-2021, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
"Virtually", as in "practically" 0. And in 30 years old that are in great shape, it is exactly that.
Are you saying there are no effects of covid, or cases of long covid, in 30 year olds? What about people who are younger or older than 30? What about people who are 30 and not in great shape?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Are you saying there are no effects of covid, or cases of long covid, in 30 year olds? What about people who are younger or older than 30? What about people who are 30 and not in great shape?
I believe everyone is free to do their own research and gauge the risks of taking/not taking the vaccine. Don’t care that much whether they take it or not TBH, it’s everyone’s own choice as it’s their own body.
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Originally Posted By Ken-O⏩
I believe everyone is free to do their own research and gauge the risks of taking/not taking the vaccine. Don’t care that much whether they take it or not TBH, it’s everyone’s own choice as it’s their own body.
My perspective as well
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
The vaccines come with the same but reduced risks of the virus itself. If you're younger and healthier, you're also at lower risk of complications from the vaccines.

SARS-CoV-2 itself comes with a higher risk of myocarditis, pericarditis, clotting, etc etc
No it doesn't.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Denominator and timing both matter.
But not for hospitalizations?

Again..

Latest UK PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report figures on Covid -19 cases show that doubly vaccinated 40-79 year olds have lost 44% of their immune system capability. Their immune systems are deteriorating at around 5% per week between 3.8% and 9.1%.

If this continues then 30-59 year olds will have zero Covid/viral defence (and perhaps a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) by Christmas and all double vaccinated people over 30 will have completely lost the part of their immune system that tackles Covid-19 by January next year.

https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/15/its-...accinated-ade/


















“If this continues then 30-59 year olds will have zero Covid/viral defence (and perhaps a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome)”
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Originally Posted By Paul
But not for hospitalizations?
Of course for hospitalisations as well.
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Originally Posted By Paul
But not for hospitalizations?

Again..

Latest UK PHE Vaccine Surveillance Report figures on Covid -19 cases show that doubly vaccinated 40-79 year olds have lost 44% of their immune system capability. Their immune systems are deteriorating at around 5% per week between 3.8% and 9.1%.

If this continues then 30-59 year olds will have zero Covid/viral defence (and perhaps a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome) by Christmas and all double vaccinated people over 30 will have completely lost the part of their immune system that tackles Covid-19 by January next year.

https://theexpose.uk/2021/10/15/its-...accinated-ade/
Sorry, I'm not following. Loss of antibodies to covid isn't synonymous with loss of all immune function.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Sorry, I'm not following. Loss of antibodies to covid isn't synonymous with loss of all immune function.
“If this continues then 30-59 year olds will have zero Covid/viral defence (and perhaps a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome)”
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Originally Posted By Paul
“If this continues then 30-59 year olds will have zero Covid/viral defence (and perhaps a form of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome)”
Waning covid defense doesn't mean waning defence to all viruses.

Antibodies wane (seroreversion) after infection as well. Decreasing antibody level isn't exclusive to vaccine induced antibodies; the same thing happens after infection or any other vaccine.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Waning covid defense doesn't mean waning defence to all viruses.

Antibodies wane (seroreversion) after infection as well. Decreasing antibody level isn't exclusive to vaccine induced antibodies; the same thing happens after infection or any other vaccine.
Sounds like you better write the authors & tell them brah

Natural antibodies last years..you have a few months..
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Originally Posted By Paul
Sounds like you better write the authors & tell them brah

Natural antibodies last years..you have a few months..
There are no authors, it's an opinion blog post by "a concerned reader".

Where have you seen data suggesting the presence of anti-n antibodies after years? Covid hasn't even been around that long.
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