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post 1667261733 09-03-2022, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
but we still need to do the mental gymnastics to justify GETTING jabbed.... which is difficult for me.
of course you wouldn’t take it, per phizers data, you’re more likely to die
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post 1667261983 09-03-2022, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Don't forget post #126. Should be really easy.
You ever get tired of trying to get my attention? Almost like you yearn for it.

You’re not interested in engaging in a discussion on science. You know it. I know it. Quit with the act.
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Originally Posted By hackerwacker⏩
I know a few nurses and the only time their hospitals got a anywhere near "overrun" was when they fired half the staff for refusing vaccination.
^^^The maid of honour at our wedding is a higher up in a massive Toronto hospital and I can confirm this is true.
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Originally Posted By HMFIC_BROWSIN⏩
I'm a 34 YO healthy male. I didnt get jabbed for a cold.

I caught covid from my triple jabbie gf, and she had significantly more severe symptoms than me.

sorry if I don't believe in your "vaccine".... at all.
I got covid when it first showed up and the only symptom that I had was stomach issues. Covid is definitely a joke.

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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
I got covid when it first showed up and the only symptom that I had was stomach issues. Covid is definitely a joke.

"75% of the 1.2M deaths had 4 comorbidities and were not well at all." - CDC director

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post 1667262803 09-03-2022, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
It's not only the government, but they do make a good scapegoat.

The medical community was on board the entire time, supporting decisions that didn't make sense at the time, and still do not make any sense.

Just remember the slogan:

"Trust the science!"

If you're anything of an intellectual, you know how wrong that was - and it looks like you were one of the people supporting the entire narrative all along.
What decisions don't make sense? Lockdowns and mandates are subjective. It depends on how much you value safety over the economy and how much you value personal freedom. But I see no reason to doubt if vaccines or masks (N95 or better) work. There is pretty good evidence that they help.
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Originally Posted By Reliance012⏩
Happy to follow you down that tangent when you concede the earlier point about mortality reduction and experimental design. This seems to be a common practice for anti vaxxers here. Get backed into one corner and shift topics.
I hope you realize that the overwhelming majority of us are actually vaccinated with everything but the bull**** covid vaccine. Being completely against vaccines that were created, tested, and produced in record time with little testing does not make us "anti vax." We're just anti covid vax, which is completely logical.

I have 2 family members that got the covid vax and they almost immediately ended up in the hospital. Grandmother is going to die soon and a cousin's heart almost rage quit. Both ended up in the hospital from heart issues due to the vax. Countless people have died from, at minimum, heart issues related to the vax. There's a good reason so many of us are against that crap.

Vaccines are to stop you from contracting and spreading the illness the vaccine is for. The covid vaxs don't do **** for that, making it completely useless.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
I hope you realize that the overwhelming majority of us are actually vaccinated with everything but the bull**** covid vaccine. Being completely against vaccines that were created, tested, and produced in record time with little testing does not make us "anti vax." We're just anti covid vax, which is completely logical.

I have 2 family members that got the covid vax and they almost immediately ended up in the hospital. Grandmother is going to die soon and a cousin's heart almost rage quit. Both ended up in the hospital from heart issues due to the vax. Countless people have died from, at minimum, heart issues related to the vax. There's a good reason so many of us are against that crap.

Vaccines are to stop you from contracting and spreading the illness the vaccine is for. The covid vaxs don't do **** for that, making it completely useless.
How do you know they were due to the vaccine? There are some reports of increased risk of myocarditis, but that is normally in men. And heart disease is among the most common causes of death and heart issues are common in elderly people. So how do you know it was the vaccine? I'm not saying it can't have been the vaccine, but just wondering how you can be sure it is. There's also the fact that the virus is worse for your heart than the vaccine. So if they had covid at some point, that would be more likely to cause problems.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
How do you know they were due to the vaccine?
I guess they got heart issues out of the blue. They, up to that point, had never had any heart issues. Get the vax and boom! Heart issues so bad that they had to go to the hospital but it had nothing to do with the vaccine. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.



I have a question for you. What happened to the flu?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
How do you know they were due to the vaccine?
you don’t, at this point , the data is so scrambled , you can only look at all cause mortality to see if the impact of the vaccines are apparent
And they are, but not in the expected way
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
So you confirm that you don't think there were any decisions made that didn't make sense?

As for the bolded... the amount of backpedaling from vaxcucks is such a treat.



We don't even know how many doses is a full course, or what the optimal interval between doses is. Heck, we don't even know how effective it is at all!

But one thing we know for sure, is that those were not due to the vaccine.
I'm asking you what you think didn't make sense. I think cloth mask mandates do not make sense. I think people shouldn't have been allowed to eat indoors in restaurants if they were going to have mandates on masking. You are distorting what I said. I'm asking you what you think didn't make sense.

No we don't know that. I said how can you know it is from the vaccine. Again, another hyperbolic distortion.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
you don’t, at this point , the data is so scrambled , you can only look at all cause mortality to see if the impact of the vaccines are apparent
And they are, but not in the expected way
The largest increase in excess deaths was from covid itself. We've also seen reduced preventive screenings leading to increased deaths. We also have a crime problem and drug OD problem lately too. So, one can't just look at total deaths going up and blame vaccines.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
I guess they got heart issues out of the blue. They, up to that point, had never had any heart issues. Get the vax and boom! Heart issues so bad that they had to go to the hospital but it had nothing to do with the vaccine. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.



I have a question for you. What happened to the flu?
Was it within 2 weeks of being jabbed?

The flu is still around.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
So just like how you asked "how do we know that it's from the vax?"...

Now I get to ask you "how do we know that the bolded is true?"
We only know that from the CDC. If you don't trust their reporting then we have no information about how many people died.

Can you answer my question about what specifically you think didn't make sense?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
How do you know they were due to the vaccine? There are some reports of increased risk of myocarditis, but that is normally in men. And heart disease is among the most common causes of death and heart issues are common in elderly people. So how do you know it was the vaccine? I'm not saying it can't have been the vaccine, but just wondering how you can be sure it is. There's also the fact that the virus is worse for your heart than the vaccine. So if they had covid at some point, that would be more likely to cause problems.
You sure seem like you're trying to weasel out of me that it could have been from something else, but it wasn't. I don't know how else I can say this, so I'll say it louder. THEY HAD NEVER HAD ANY HEART COMPLICATIONS FROM ANYTHING AT ANY POINT IN THEIR LIFE, THEY GOT THE VACCINE, THEN BOOM! HEART COMPLICATIONS SO BAD THAT THEY ENDED UP IN THE HOSPITAL.

It's not a coincidence, especially considering it has been accepted that vaccine can cause heart problems.

It doesn't matter that actual covid "is worse for your heart than the vaccine." It's also possible that they could've gotten covid and had no heart issues at all. They got the vaccine and ended up in the hospital because of it. It's very simple.
Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Was it within 2 weeks of being jabbed?

The flu is still around.
Yup.

Sure doesn't seem like the flu is around.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
But yet, those decisions were made, and those decisions were supported by the medical community in general.

The distrust in the medical community is nothing to be surprised at - that's what you get for lying and manipulating data for two years.

You're just too far into your agenda to admit that.
I don't think so. Most doctors were actually wanting stricter restrictions. The restaurant rules were a kind of compromise to keep businesses open.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
I guess that since mortality isn’t an end point in any of the studies, we can conclude, like reliance, that based on phizers own trial, the vax’ed are more likely to die than the placebo
I’m going to let you in on a little secret. Might rattle your world. At this point in time, the vast majority of what we know about vaccine safety and effectiveness doesn’t come from Pfizer. Or Moderna. That argument is long gone. Literally thousands of independent institutions, from hospitals to universities to federal research programs, can conduct vaccine related analyses.

It took me less than 3 months to get IRB approval from my University for a vaccine question I was interested in. I had access to electronic medical records for every vaccinated and unvaccinated patient. The data are everywhere and they are accessible. Pfizer could be the most corrupt company on earth. It would not matter. Everyone has access to the information. It cannot be suppressed.
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Originally Posted By Lunatic⏩
You sure seem like you're trying to weasel out of me that it could have been from something else, but it wasn't. I don't know how else I can say this, so I'll say it louder. THEY HAD NEVER HAD ANY HEART COMPLICATIONS FROM ANYTHING AT ANY POINT IN THEIR LIFE, THEY GOT THE VACCINE, THEN BOOM! HEART COMPLICATIONS SO BAD THAT THEY ENDED UP IN THE HOSPITAL.

It's not a coincidence, especially considering it has been accepted that vaccine can cause heart problems.

It doesn't matter that actual covid "is worse for your heart than the vaccine." It's also possible that they could've gotten covid and had no heart issues at all. They got the vaccine and ended up in the hospital because of it. It's very simple.

Yup.

Sure doesn't seem like the flu is around.
It's definitely still around. But people seem to have modified their behaviors to make transmission less likely. You still have some masking, and probably the biggest thing is fewer people go to work sick now in response to everything regarding covid.

What I'm asking regarding them is if it was within 2 weeks or so of being vaccinated because then it makes a lot of sense that it was the vaccine. Otherwise, it could be other things.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Source for the claim, please.
I don't know of any doctors who recommended indoor dining at restaurants. And a lot recommended against it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Please provide the source where it is proven that there cannot be any negative side effects after 2 weeks have elapsed after "being jabbed".



So we trust the CDC when it fits our narrative, then we don't when it doesn't?

Got it.
It's less likely after 2 weeks. Most of the negative side effects will show up within 2 weeks of being jabbed. Google it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Anecdotal evidence is not applicable, unless it supports the narrative you support?

Got it.
Do you know of any doctors who supported indoor dining? Fauci and the CDC recommended against it but didn't enforce it.

Anyway, it's not worth doing this back and forth with you. It isn't a conversation. I asked what you had a problem with, and you haven't even said what specifically you had a problem with.
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
The largest increase in excess deaths was from covid itself. We've also seen reduced preventive screenings leading to increased deaths. We also have a crime problem and drug OD problem lately too. So, one can't just look at total deaths going up and blame vaccines.
in the months following vaccine rollout, did all cause mortality go up or down?
Was 6-9 months of preventative screening responsible for the jump in deaths post vaccine?
Or was it ODs and crime?

How was it a state like Florida, with over 50% of their population vaccinated at the time, had higher mortality than prior the vaccine?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Nah. You made the claim, you provide the source.

But I did notice how you said "less likely after two weeks", not "not likely at all after two weeks".

Thanks for providing the counter argument against your own argument.
I never made any argument. I asked if it happened within 2 weeks of being vaccinated because that would make it pretty likely that it was the jab.

You seem incapable of reading and like to distort what people say.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
in the months following vaccine rollout, did all cause mortality go up or down?
Was 6-9 months of preventative screening responsible for the jump in deaths post vaccine?
Or was it ODs and crime?
There was also the virus itself. After the rollout, we had the delta wave IIRC. That was the main cause of excess deaths afaik.

Do you people really think the vaccines are killing tons of people?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
There was also the virus itself. After the rollout, we had the delta wave IIRC. That was the main cause of excess deaths afaik.

Do you people really think the vaccines are killing tons of people?
no, I’m saying where is the evidence the vax saved lives?

How was it a state like Florida, with over 50% of their population vaccinated at the time, had higher mortality than prior to the vaccine?
Take alot of undiagnosed cancers and crime to overcome the life saving stats of the vaccine, eh?
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
We all know what you did, and why you did it. It would be nice if you took a minute to reflect, and admit it to yourself.


I was talking to Lunatic.
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Originally Posted By 5x10⏩
no, I’m saying where is the evidence the vax saved lives?
Just google any study on the vaccines and their effect on deaths from covid...
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun⏩
Just google any study on the vaccines and their effect on deaths from covid...
reliance just told us there’s no studies done where mortality was the end point of the study

How does a state thats 50% vaccinated fare worse than it did when it was unvaccinated?
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