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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Condescending horsechit, and none of these posts actually made an actual scientific argument.
You said shiit lol.. I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Condescending horsechit, and none of these posts actually made an actual scientific argument.
Fauci himself says it’s dumb to get a vaccine after you’ve had a virus already.


What other diseases do we get vaccines for that we’ve already have?

Why the **** would you get one? Your body has already literally proven it can handle the virus. You now have protection AND the virus is only getting weaker. So again why the **** would someone get a vax for something they’ve already had? Why
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
Fauci himself says it’s dumb to get a vaccine after you’ve had a virus already.


What other diseases do we get vaccines for that we’ve already have?

Why the **** would you get one? Your body has already literally proven it can handle the virus. You now have protection AND the virus is only getting weaker. So again why the **** would someone get a vax for something they’ve already had? Why
The original answer that i read about was "super protection" but after a while i stopped listening to the "micro updates" and the messages from cdc have always been muddy and unclear.
It became easier to listen to state and local advisors which had a more clear concise advice.
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Oh how quickly the posers forget.

#1: There were THREE lockdowns. One that started in March 2020, another in fall 2020, depending on where you lived. The second one lasted until May 2021 in most places. Then a THIRD that started around July 2021 and only ended in May 2022.

#2: Let's not forget: The first and only planned lockdown was supposed to last three weeks. I had friends that said the whole thing was going to be over by the end of April 2020.

#3: Coronavirus vaccines have been in development for decades. Since the 1950s. None have been very effective, certainly never over a few months.

Watch this video. It has Wittkowski, an epidemiologist, who was absolutely pilloried at the start of the panic. This interview is fromJanuary 2021. He predicted Delta, Omicron, blah, blah, the second lockdown.

He agrees with all the "facts" presented by the CDC, the WHO and other health organizations:

1) Masks work.
2) The vaccine is effective.
3) The vaccine isn't effective long term.
4) The death numbers.

And uses logic to tell you why they did everything wrong.

Also, he explains why Fauci keeps making puzzling decisions - his career experience is with a disease that bypasses the immune system (AIDS), and he uses that logic for other diseases.



1:15 - further mitigation breeds new strains. The first lockdown created new strains that is resistant to current immunity.
4:40 - The term "herd immunity" was politicized.
6:19 - All three top experts in the USA have been trying to develop an HIV vaccine (not very well). Fauci doesn't understand herd immunity since that's not possible with HIV. Fauci is an immunologist, not an epidemiologist. The epidemiologist, Gupta was fired because she said that 25% immunity was already there from previous coronavirus immunity and current exposure.
10:47 - Basic principle for natural and vaccine immunity is the same.
13:46 - lockdowns quadrupled the number of deaths, since if the first lockdown didn't happen, the new strains never would have existed.
15:33 - masks: if everybody wears them, then the advantage it provides for the vulnerable is gone.
17:43 - flattening the curve means it's going to take more time. That means there's more time for the vulnerable to get infected.
21:40 - takes the CDC stats at face value, it simply means that mitigation made things worse.
22:50 - virus evades immunity after three months. This was known inJanuary 2021.
25:35 - "cytokine storm" reaction doesn't happen.
32:00 - we've never had a good vaccine against respiratory diseases. Having mitigations and vaccinations makes no sense.
33:00 - further lockdowns, more strains forever - HE WAS RIGHT.
34:00 - his concern: Due to mitigation, the virus mutates so that it has no epitopes that the human immune system can recognize.

This is probably too much thinking for people like Bodhy. I'm sure he's never heard of the word epitope until now.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
The original answer that i read about was "super protection" but after a while i stopped listening to the "micro updates" and the messages from cdc have always been muddy and unclear.
It became easier to listen to state and local advisors which had a more clear concise advice.
Super protection from what? Something you’ve already had and have immunity from?? Lmao son….
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
Super protection from what? Something you’ve already had and have immunity from?? Lmao son….
I remember the details of what they told us, so i am just retelling to you....what they told us.....at the time.

and here is the list

http://www.yalemedicine.org/news/cov...oncern-omicron
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
I remember the details of what they told us, so i am just retelling to you....what they told us.....at the time.

and here is the list

http://www.yalemedicine.org/news/cov...oncern-omicron
No I’m not reading that. Just think logically bro. Why the **** would someone need protection form something they already had? Literally every variant is getting weaker and weaker. There is literally no reason to get it.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
The original answer that i read about was "super protection" but after a while i stopped listening to the "micro updates" and the messages from cdc have always been muddy and unclear.
It became easier to listen to state and local advisors which had a more clear concise advice.
Right because state/local advisors are never wrong.......
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
No I’m not reading that. Just think logically bro. Why the **** would someone need protection form something they already had? Literally every variant is getting weaker and weaker. There is literally no reason to get it.
I ask simple questions, and I can never get an answer. Just once I would like certain individuals to admit they were wrong to get the jab, maybe shown some anger in being lied to?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
I ask simple questions, and I can never get an answer. Just once I would like certain individuals to admit they were wrong to get the jab, maybe shown some anger in being lied to?
I wasn't wrong to get jabbed. I don't regret it, and while the govt lied a little, I don't really care what they say. I knew when they were lying and when they weren't because I follow the scientific literature. I knew covid was airborne. I knew N95s (with no valve) were best and the others sucked. I knew taking the mask off indoors was dumb. I knew outdoors it would only transmit in very close proximity. I knew that the 3rd jab wasn't needed for me. And while I thought the mandates were hilarious because of all the maga tears, I knew they were overreaching and they wouldn't be super effective. I do think lockdowns were a good call, and I think China has handled this very well.

As far as lab leak goes, the govt may or may not be lying to us about it. We have no way of knowing rn.

But I do hope they strap u in a chair and vax u just for the lulz. Just you, Dave. I hope it is Fauci who does it. And he sits next to you and caresses your face while you are crying and screaming and asks if you can feel his fluid inside of you. And after, he joins a bunch of nurses to do a dance routine for a tiktok video in front of you. Oh and those nurses? They are trannies and minorities. Wouldn't that be great, Dave?
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
Vaccine-induced immunity is much more consistent, since if you vaccinate 100 people you will get a similar level of antibodies. Since COVID is such a strange virus with high amounts of asymptomatic cases these will produce a low antibody response in contrast to a more serious case. So a low consistency rate among the infected. Even the best natural responses are not better than the vaccine responses.
Pushback over the deaths in Scotland and Italy; Wayne Allan Root has lost 33 friends—all “vaccinated”—to death or illness in the last 18 months; & TV presenter Kate McCann keels over, live!

The dam is breaking, and there’s no repairing it. There will only be attempts to change the subject, with one or more new propaganda terror-drives (during which the numbers of those “dying suddenly” will just keep growing).

Two news reports, a personal account, and the video of Kate McCann’s collapse on-air, Liz Truss’s shocked reaction, and TalkTV’s swift black-out:

A retired professor has called for a public inquiry into Scotland’s recent sharp uptick in excess deaths, “the worst ever recorded”:

Scotland: Dramatic and Unexplained Resurgence in Excess Death Points to Covid Injections
July 22, 2022

Retired Edinburgh professor Richard Ennos says official data for 2021 and 2022 ‘provide very strong evidence for a causal relationship’ between the vaccinations and a huge number of excess deaths in the country, wrote Graham Crawford in an article published by Holding the Line. Professor Ennos has written to Siobhian Brown MSP, convener of the Scottish government’s covid-19 recovery committee, calling on her to re-open a public inquiry into the deaths which can only be partially explained by the virus. Earlier this year, the committee investigated the cause of an unprecedented level of excess death recorded in Scotland from week 21 to week 52 of 2021. Numbering 4,819, it was 12% above the average – the worst ever recorded.

https://expose-news.com/2022/07/22/s...id-injections/

A protest in Parma, after an elderly woman, forcibly injected, “died suddenly” a few days later:
FORCED TO BE VACCINATED BY THE COURT DIES AFTER A FEW DAYS: THE EVENT
July 26, 2022

The Action Syndicate organized a demonstration in front of the Parma Court for Mrs. Olga, an elderly woman who did not intend to get vaccinated and who was forced to undergo a forced vaccination by the court.

The health manager of the Langhirano RSA , where the Lady was hospitalized, requested authorization from the Court of Parma for vaccination, which was then granted by the judge, Dr. Giovetti.

Mrs. Olga passed away after a few days . The death was reported to the appropriate authority as an adverse event.

https://www.byoblu.com/2022/07/26/co...anifestazione/

Wayne Allan Root reports that 33 of his friends have either died or fallen ill since his wedding 18 months ago:
33 Dead & Sick Friends Since Our Wedding Only 8 Months Ago. All 33 Vaxxed. A “Vaccine Death & Disease Cluster.”
By Wayne Allyn Root

July 24, 2022

Yes, you read correctly. There are (so far) 33 friends and relatives dead or sick since our wedding eight months ago. I’ve done the research. All 33 were vaxxed. Every one of them.

This is a “vaccine death and disease cluster.”

This is like the Love Canal, New York, cancer cluster of the 1970s. It can’t be ignored when you see so many people dead, or very ill in just one group.

But it has nothing to do with our wedding. Open your eyes. This is happening everywhere. Non-COVID-19 deaths are up dramatically in the United States (and all over the world). Life insurance companies report non-COVID-19 deaths are up 40% or more among young, working-age Americans. Lincoln National reports death benefit payouts are up over 163% in the year since COVID-19 vaccines came out. These are death increases not seen during World War II.

https://www.creators.com/read/wayne-...isease-cluster

TV presenter Kate McCann keels over in the middle of today’s debate between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak, and TalkTV quickly pulls the broadcast
Watch the video, below. The Daily Mail reports:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-TV-clash.html


Originally Posted By katya422
Going to drop this off here for those still interested in the topic.



Link:


Ba.5 Booster's "8-Mice Trial" Actually FAILED
https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/ba...trial-actually

"The reason we are being murdered with genetic altering drugs is its slow acting and it causes your body to malfunction and destroy itself so there is a "plausible deniability" factor. Unlike most poisons which leave more evidence of being the direct cause of death."

1,151+ pages of peoples accounts of Covid-19 vaccine damage:
https://vestibular.org/forum/dizziness/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun
I wasn't wrong to get jabbed. I don't regret it, and while the govt lied a little, I don't really care what they say. I knew when they were lying and when they weren't because I follow the scientific literature. I knew covid was airborne. I knew N95s (with no valve) were best and the others sucked. I knew taking the mask off indoors was dumb. I knew outdoors it would only transmit in very close proximity. I knew that the 3rd jab wasn't needed for me. And while I thought the mandates were hilarious because of all the maga tears, I knew they were overreaching and they wouldn't be super effective. I do think lockdowns were a good call, and I think China has handled this very well.

As far as lab leak goes, the govt may or may not be lying to us about it. We have no way of knowing rn.

But I do hope they strap u in a chair and vax u just for the lulz. Just you, Dave. I hope it is Fauci who does it. And he sits next to you and caresses your face while you are crying and screaming and asks if you can feel his fluid inside of you. And after, he joins a bunch of nurses to do a dance routine for a tiktok video in front of you. Oh and those nurses? They are trannies and minorities. Wouldn't that be great, Dave?
Why would the first jabs be needed by you but the 3rd not? When the whole point of the 3rd is that the first ones sucked and wore off.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Right because state/local advisors are never wrong.......
Said no one...... oh fortune teller, omnipotent, god like, know more that experts, dave...lmao!
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun
I wasn't wrong to get jabbed. I don't regret it, and while the govt lied a little, I don't really care what they say. I knew when they were lying and when they weren't because I follow the scientific literature. I knew covid was airborne. I knew N95s (with no valve) were best and the others sucked. I knew taking the mask off indoors was dumb. I knew outdoors it would only transmit in very close proximity. I knew that the 3rd jab wasn't needed for me. And while I thought the mandates were hilarious because of all the maga tears, I knew they were overreaching and they wouldn't be super effective. I do think lockdowns were a good call, and I think China has handled this very well.

As far as lab leak goes, the govt may or may not be lying to us about it. We have no way of knowing rn.

But I do hope they strap u in a chair and vax u just for the lulz. Just you, Dave. I hope it is Fauci who does it. And he sits next to you and caresses your face while you are crying and screaming and asks if you can feel his fluid inside of you. And after, he joins a bunch of nurses to do a dance routine for a tiktok video in front of you. Oh and those nurses? They are trannies and minorities. Wouldn't that be great, Dave?
Cliffs- I am angry about being lied to, but I pretend that I knew when they were lying and didn’t get tricked, while directing my anger at anyone who points out the lies
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Said no one...... oh fortune teller, omnipotent, god like, know more that experts, dave...lmao!
Uhhh…aren’t you in DC? Your mayor is kicking kids out of school if they don’t get Covid injections. You don’t have to be an expert to realize that’s evil.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Uhhh…aren’t you in DC? Your mayor is kicking kids out of school if they don’t get Covid injections. You don’t have to be an expert to realize that’s evil.
No one agrees with that, but thanks for the info.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
No one agrees with that, but thanks for the info.
Well the “experts” at the CDC recommend that everyone over 6 MONTHS of age get the Covid injection and any boosters they are eligible for if they are more than four years old. If you disagree with that are you saying you know more than the experts?
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ
i didnt know vaccines wasnt supposed to stop the spread. Im learning sth new everyday
yes Biden himself stated this..

"You won't get Covid if you get vaccinated"

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It's scary to think people like you are actually allowed to vote. srs























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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
No I’m not reading that. Just think logically bro. Why the **** would someone need protection form something they already had? Literally every variant is getting weaker and weaker. There is literally no reason to get it.
I know reading is hard but you can get information that you did not already know when flexing the eyes, brain cells, and then assessing the information contained within.
In this case it is a list of variants.
And yes we know last years Flu Shot does not cover this years Flu.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Well the “experts” at the CDC recommend that everyone over 6 MONTHS of age get the Covid injection and any boosters they are eligible for if they are more than four years old. If you disagree with that are you saying you know more than the experts?
Not you, Dave who wants credit for being the first "REBEL COP" in the USA who was the "outlaw" who knew more than all of us...before all of us.
Vaccines have always been controversial since we were all kids.
And... schools always had a list in order to go to school.
Then we had the Autism debate and now we have a new debate.

Go enjoy your BBQ, i am off to the gym, home depot, and a party, later.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
I know reading is hard but you can get information that you did not already know when flexing the eyes, brain cells, and then assessing the information contained within.
In this case it is a list of variants.
And yes we know last years Flu Shot does not cover this years Flu.
Variants. On no!

That didn’t answer my question. If I was fine with one variant, and variants do nothing but get weaker, and vaccines don’t stop you from getting covid, especially when you’re getting a vaccine from an old variant- why the fuk would you need to get a vaccine if you’ve already had it?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Not you, Dave who wants credit for being the first "REBEL COP" in the USA who was the "outlaw" who knew more than all of us...before all of us.
Vaccines have always been controversial since we were all kids.
And... schools always had a list in order to go to school.
Then we had the Autism debate and now we have a new debate.

Go enjoy your BBQ, i am off to the gym, home depot, and a party, later.
Cool, we were doing all of that in 2020, while you stayed indoors.
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Originally Posted By Bodhy
I'd add the following caveats:


Vaccine-induced immunity is much more consistent, since if you vaccinate 100 people you will get a similar level of antibodies. Since COVID is such a strange virus with high amounts of asymptomatic cases these will produce a low antibody response in contrast to a more serious case. So a low consistency rate among the infected. Even the best natural responses are not better than the vaccine responses.


Another key difference between the vaccine and natural infection is the hyper-specificity of the vaccine. Attenuated virus vaccines give large and non-specific protection, but the new mRNA vaccines give a highly focused and effective response to specific targets like the spike protein of COVID. With natural immunity, you get a crapshoot in terms of the antibodies produced; you could get a lot against useless structural elements of the virus and not parts relevant to infection. So a broader and less specific range. But the vaccine is 100% all against the spike protein.

They also don't cause direct damage like the virus itself would.


My argument is ultimately that unless you had a severe case of Covid, don't rely on your natural immunity.
That's not really true Bodhy. They found that natural immunity was usually better than vaccine immunity, with the caveat that you, obviously, have to not fall severely ill or die to get it. But if you've already had it, you're going to be better off than someone who was only vaccinated. That's what the studies showed. But the best protection is to have been vaccinated as well as having had prior infection. That being said, you are correct about consistency. Your natural immunity might be really good against future variants or not great, whereas the vaccines were more consistent vs variants until omicron, which was very different. At this point, I'd say if you have had omicron and survived and recovered, you are better off in terms of immunity than someone who only had the vaccines.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
Cool, we were doing all of that in 2020, while you stayed indoors.
And we had like a million people die. No big deal, right?
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun
That's not really true Bodhy. They found that natural immunity was usually better than vaccine immunity, with the caveat that you, obviously, have to not fall severely ill or die to get it. But if you've already had it, you're going to be better off than someone who was only vaccinated. That's what the studies showed. But the best protection is to have been vaccinated as well as having had prior infection. That being said, you are correct about consistency. Your natural immunity might be really good against future variants or not great, whereas the vaccines were more consistent vs variants until omicron, which was very different. At this point, I'd say if you have had omicron and survived and recovered, you are better off in terms of immunity than someone who only had the vaccines.
Why the **** would anyone get a vaccine for something they’ve already had? Bro what!?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Said no one...... oh fortune teller, omnipotent, god like, know more that experts, dave...lmao!
The "experts" are never, ever wrong.......

Face it, you were conned into getting the jab, because you believed the lie that it would stop you from getting it.....
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Originally Posted By fistnazis4fun
And we had like a million people die. No big deal, right?
Christ Wincel, they died with Covid. Maybe scientists should promote a healthy lifestyle to fight future illnesses?
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Originally Posted By tunejunkie
Why the **** would anyone get a vaccine for something they’ve already had? Bro what!?
I'm talking about if you get vaccinated and then get the virus.
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
No one agrees with that, but thanks for the info.
Oh, how cute, you guys disagree with the mayor. Oh well, you ****ing people voted for her, you can reap what you sow.......enjoy the ****show.
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