this.

Dr. Li-Meng Yan

Col. Lawrence Sellin

Why did CCP go with Sinovac, a regular killed virus vaccine? Not mRNA? They are not having the heart attacks and strokes we are. CCP and US elites conspired to genocide us. There are enough workers in China to go around, and they are under control.

I'll also add that a major reason why a natural origins narrative was prima facie plausible was the fact that an up and coming pandemic was easily, and regrettably, predictable. And in the exact form that Covid originated as: The rural interaction of a human and a wild animal. Given that we see this rural zoonotic transmission all the time, it wasn't difficult to predict a pandemic was on the way and would happen like this.


All the signs pointed to this. There's an increase in zoonotic disease transmissions. Climate change is causing erosion of animal habitats and increasing the frequency of interaction between us and animals. We knew for years a pandemic of this sort was coming, transferring from bats to humans or from bats to humans via an intermediary animal. Scientitsts were expecting this.


So why was a natural origins narrative believable at first blush? Because this is exactly what the scientific community was expecting and warned us would happen.

Yep. We had SARS and MERS within a single decade. People saw it coming. The scary thing is bats carry a ton of other pandemic potential viruses that are capable of fuking us up.

^^If you can't post a source, then we'll chalk that up to another lie from you. No problem.


When I caught you plagiarizing everything from James Duehr, I noticed he claimed that if SARS-CoV-2 was engineered, virologists would be able to tell. I said I wasn't so sure about that, because Ralph Baric invented seamless engineering, and he also happens to be the mentor of Dr. Shi at WIV, and he taught her how he constructs chimeric viruses.



But if you can't post a source, you're a little kunt for lying again.

How do you explain the fact that it was a completely unknown FCS? Like totally out of nowhere?

And furthermore, if the FCS was engineered, it was demonstrably engineered by an idiot with a literal wealth of better and lethal options to choose from?

I was reading in some of the emails that they considered it possibly happening through serial passaging in tissue culture. That would also explain its imperfect design.

Here's the Laos bat article btw.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-022-04532-4

And here's a rebuttal to Sachs' claims regarding FCS:

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2211107119

I mean it's possible, but is it likely, and were such experiments done that could produce this? That's the question we need answered.

Yeah apparently so. Read the whole thing, but specifically # 2.

There will be a House Select Subcommittee Hearing on Origins of Covid on March 8.

Witnesses will include:

Dr. Robert Redfield - Former Head of CDC

Dr. Jamie Metzl, Ph.D. - Atlantic Council

Mr. Nicholas Wade - Former Science and Health Editor at NY Times, Science & Nature



https://oversight.house.gov/release/...covid-origins/

^^As usual, Bodhy lying his ass off in this thread. Claiming seamless engineering isn't possible on SARS-CoV-2.

Came across an old post of mine, which thoroughly debunks both Bodhy and James Duehr's claims regarding seamless engineering:

^Again, speaking with such certainty, like he already knows the origins of Covid. I guess Bodhy knows something that the rest of the world doesn't?

What's even funnier, is his rural Hubei countryside origins claim, which he is so sure of, was only ever mentioned by James Duehr. Literally no one has made those claims.

Even in Worobey's paper, which claims it started at the wet market, they at least acknowledge the uncertainty and lack of evidence to define upstream events, before the wet market:How is Bodhy so sure of a rural Hubei countryside interaction between a human and a wild animal?


This is exactly why he deserves all the ridicule he gets on this forum.

You're free to use the search and see where this evidence has been presented at length before. In particular, search for terms like "engineered" "modified" and such. I've discussed all this before.


And yes, there are multiple lines of evidence which rule out Sars-Cov-2 being genetically modified. We don't deal with certainty or surety or proof in science, we deal with empirical plausibility. I haven't lied about anything regarding claims of the virus being engineered. It's simply that I've discussed it all before and I don't have to repeat what I've said.

Whether it was genetically engineered or not isn't even the question. Claiming it cannot be edited in this manner is making an entirely different statement - one to which you have never shown any proof.

Cannot be edited =/= was not edited

I think IF we go with a natty hypothesis, the Laos bat cave thing seems most plausible. Wuhan wet market would have just been a hot spot for spread, but it wasn't "bat soup" lol. What would help this is if we continue to find viruses closely related to covid in Laos. If we find ones that are really similar in a population of bats, then natty will be more plausible. Right now we found some that are pretty close, but not close enough to fully explain it.

There's some sketchy stuff on the lab leak side too like secret research being done and also WIV removing stuff from their database. So idk.

I think it's still most likely natty, but looking forward to the info.

They manufacture, test, and use wind turbines in, and around, wuhan

Wind turbineshttps://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/mam.12064

So we see there is a definite stressor there - and as aforementioned study demonstrated this stressor could exacerbate the human bat interaction of viruses.


Now let’s get more specific on these wind turbines and what the actually do to batshttps://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...urst-bat-lungs


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On a Wing and Low Air: The Surprising Way Wind Turbines Kill Bats
It is the pressure change--not the blades--that wipe out thousands of bats annually at wind farms

"As turbine height increases, bat deaths increase exponentially," says ecologist Erin Baerwald of the University of Calgary in Alberta, who led research into the deaths as part of her master's project. "What we found is a lot of internal hemorrhaging."

As the wind moves through a wind turbine's blades, pressure drops behind them by five to 10 kilopascals (a pascal is a unit of pressure), and any bat unlucky enough to blunder into such an undetectable low pressure zone would find its lungs and blood vessels rapidly expanding and, quickly, bursting under the new conditions.[/QUOTE]

[URL=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wind-turbines-kill-bats/]https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...nes-kill-bats/[/URL]


[QUOTE]Bat Fatalities at Wind Turbines—Investigating the Causes and Consequences

...

Bats are being found dead beneath wind turbines all over the world. Bat fatalities have now been documented at most wind facilities in the U.S. and Canada and it is estimated that tens to hundreds of thousands die at wind turbines in North America each year.[/QUOTE][URL=https://www.usgs.gov/centers/fort/science/bat-fatalities-wind-turbines-investigating-causes-and-consequences?qt-science_center_objects=0#qt-science_center_objects]https://www.usgs.gov/centers/fort/sc...center_objects[/URL]




With the hundreds of thousands of dead- or still dying with exposed chest cavity, bats at each major wind farm per year- it was only a matter of time before the human interaction happened.

-Maintenance workers tending to the turbines daily.

-Nearby communities to the wind turbines all the bats eventually fall- still shedding the virus

-scientists and researchers examining these bats.

-cleanup crews cleaning up the hundreds of thousands of dead bats under these turbines


Lots of exposure points lots of stressors.


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And to pile more on….


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Marc Eloit, the lead author of the Laos paper you posted above, believes lab leak and serial passage is plausible.

lol actually this bat turbine hypothesis could explain how people first caught it, but there are obviously tons of other ways. Kind of a batchit idea (lol) but plausible. There's a LOT of stuff done in Wuhan, remember.

I don’t think anything on this planet creates a larger amount of direct human to bat contact.

Often in populated areas

And freshly exploded lungs as well….


Think about that one farm where they found several hundred thousand bats dead under turbines

What is that hypothesis? Is it saying that wind turbines blew a chitload of bat chit into Wuhan and this is how the virus took hold? I always thought he was trolling with that suggestion after the Trump speech bashing wind turbines.

Yea plausible, but is it probable?

lmao nah he is saying the turbines killed a bunch of bats and people had to clean them up, increasing their chance of exposure. It's possible. Yea it's a funny troll explanation, but it could have been from that or any number of other human bat interactions lol.

Have you even read it??

Don’t forget the freshly exploded lung tissue

The Trump wind turbine thread was made prior to your join date.

3/29/2019

With the last post being 4/6/2019


Did you read it on a prior account?

You don't need to be a member here to know about Trump's turbine speech. I had no idea there was a thread about it here, but I see it didn't prevent you from starting to join invisible threads again.

Gotcha

Go back and read my full wind turbine hypothesis

3 post - start

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1677970303