First off, how would the US disband NATO???

And Russia can barely take the small parts of Ukraine that it acquired, but it's suddenly gonna be like a C&C computer game, where they take over all of Europe???

Timothy Dalton was underrated as Bond.

Trump threatened to do it. We could just say fuk it and pull our forces out or drastically reduce troop numbers and stop funding it.

I agree with you. I find the hypothesis and reasoning to be wrong. But remember, Russia is quite powerful with their weapons. Imagine Putin assembles a military of like 10 M people while we are in a social collapse and have pulled out of NATO. One could see him going after Lithuania specifically to get a land connection to Kaliningrad.

It may not seem likely, but it is always something to fear. I don't completely trust Putin and neither should anyone. This guy has and will kill for Russian power and has already launched an invasion. We have only his word he won't militarize his country. But his word doesn't mean much nowadays.

For the record, I agree with you. I am just showing the other side's view.

Are we in a social collapse???

And an army of 10 million??? Christ Wincel, where are you coming up with this???

Impeached twice= Acquitted twice...making him the most acquitted President in U.S. History.




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just playin with you Pat.

I'm painting a picture. Imagine the war drags on in Ukraine. And imagine sentiment here reaches a boiling point and you have weakened support for NATO. Imagine Trump or whoever is unable to end the war and instead you see Putin start expanding his military and militarizing his economy. Then yes, he could raise a huge army and do something and justify it using the war. It has happened several times in history.

And he'd need a ginormous army like that to rebuild the USSR. He couldn't do it with what he has now.

This is devil's advocate. I realize how it sounds farfetched, and that's because it is. It would literally be WW3.

Why are you bringing up Trump??? He's not in charge.

Also, when wars tend to drag on, it usually turns the population against the country waging it.

Vietnam dragged on, and look what happened.

Look at what happened with Afghanistan when it came to the Russians, and with us.

The Iraq-Iran war lasted 8 years. Did Saddam suddenly raise an army of 5 million and take Iran??? Did the Ayatollah of Iran???

And you think if he somehow raised an army of 10 million, the world is just going to be like, "Oh well......"

I'm saying if Trump wins.

Depends. Russia is authoritarian and capable of sliding back. Saddam didn't have the economy or power to do it. I'll remind you it wasn't too long ago the USSR had an enormous military. Even before they collapsed, they had 2 million men.

No. The world would fight. That's why it would be WW3. But if America went full isolationist, it might invite an attack on those states.

Can't help but notice you're deliberately ignoring that I agree with you and am simply being devil's advocate here. You already know my position on Russia.

None of this is what "I think".

This is a very interesting yet complex topic but the substantive information is public and if you are smart, you can read.

Trump says Putin wouldn't have invaded if he were in office, well, let's examine the claim. Russia invaded Ukraine for the same reason anyone does anything, motive and opportunity. Putin was motivated by fear, fear Ukraine, a country on it's border would fall under the complete control of Western Bloc and he was given the opportunity to act due to the political actions of the U.S. which caused oil to become extremely valuable.

Would Trump have given Putin motive and opportunity by threatening to take control of Ukraine and place it in the Western Bloc or would he tell Ukraine to fend for themselves, come out with a deal and save innocent lives? Would Trump promise to shutdown oil production in America while America's federal reserve raised interest rates aggressively but too late? If Trump wouldn't do these things then the chances of Russia invading Ukraine are far below 50%.



As things stand today Russia will take over parts of Ukraine if not the whole country, they are taking it whether Ukraine allows it or not, the question is, how many must die first?

This is what could very well happen. The US seems set on dragging China into a war. These hopeful warmongers that are already stating to the public "we could see China arming Russia"..have a good chance of making it come to fruition. Next thing you know we drag Israel (whom already has issues with Russia), and Russia/China brings in Middle Eastern countries that have been wanting to take down Israel and America for decades...

Gee, it's almost like that Book you hate so much foretold all this already...but I'm sure you knew that..right Wincel?

There's a difference between 2 million men and 10 million men.

Drag Israel into what?

WW3..Armageddon.

I find this highly unlikely but can you imagine if we pulled out of nato and told these euro cucks they have to deal with putin on their own

Hnnnnng

oh wow... give up territory in ukraine to russia that is pro russia anyway or allow the biggest money laundering operation to continue...

only way i support the latter is if it ends up sending chit libs and OP to kyiv. i think its time for cocktail/limousine liberals, along with their peasants: the fake lawyers, chit smearers that have fake degrees, dying chitbaggers, rapey diabetics etc. go fight for your country, ukraine.

Lol this thread got murdered in the first reply lol.

and that dude never posts in the R/P which makes it even more hysterical, lol

mental illness

I don't recall ever saying Trump was on the Kremlin's payroll. I've repeatedly said Putin wants to ruin Western democracy and he wanted Trump into the WH. Whether Trump was complicit in this is immaterial, because Trump naturally foments divide anyway and this is what Putin wanted.


As for collusion? Collusion isn't a crime and is without explicit legal meaning. And if someone is claiming Trump was 'exonerated' from collusion Mueller's words were the exact opposite and you can't be exonerated from collusion anyway since it's not a crime.


They just love stuffing words into my mouth to get their boogeyman. They've been doing it ever since I been here.

you are literally the dumbest fking person here lmao.

A PHD scholar ladies and gentlemen......

yep

says the Andrew Tate follower...fkin lmao

stings a little extra, huh

His own quotes are putting words in his mouth?

Fraudhy, the frauding lying sh*t smearing tranny fuker--where are the transcripts?

R&P libs: iF rUsSiA aNnExEs uKrAIne pUtIn wIlI sTEamrOlL EuRoPE

Me: looking at a map of the old Soviet Union that was 10 times stronger than it is now, and never once tried to "steamroll" Europe in it's 70 year existence.



This is not our fight and we should not be involved.
As for NATO, i have no problem with the US being a member, but we should not have to fund a penny of it.

yeah I can't believe anyone views Russia as a legitimate threat anymore