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post 1682588083 05-12-2023, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
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post 1682590083 05-12-2023, 04:06 PM
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IMO....

Was the guy a pos? Yes
Did he deserve to die? Def. Not
Was it a bit excessive? Yes...imo

My issue is with the whole concept of selective outrage that's become so prevalent in our society..let's be honest..the ONLY reason this is a story is because of race. Honestly...how many black mothers and fathers are going to lose children just in Chicago this weekend and are you going to make the same stink? IF you truly want justice to be served or want changes made, try focusing on the big picture and not a single tragedy used to push certain agendas.
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post 1682591803 05-12-2023, 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Banderistan⏩
It's a textbook case of murder imo. The guy didn't attack anyone, and while he was acting angry and yelled a bit, killing him was out of line. I don't see a jury giving him a pass on this. Depending on circumstances, one can argue the homeless dude was committing assault and the intervention was warranted. It still likely wouldn't justify lethal force. He will be held responsible for the death even if he didn't intend to kill him. At the very least, it's manslaughter. At worst, it's murder.

I think the charge is fine, and the jury will definitely convict on this charge.
I'd be curious to know if any drugs were in his system at the time, the whole cause of death given by the examiner is very vague.
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post 1682591943 05-12-2023, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Irezumi⏩
IMO....

Was the guy a pos? Yes
Did he deserve to die? Def. Not
Was it a bit excessive? Yes...imo

My issue is with the whole concept of selective outrage that's become so prevalent in our society..let's be honest..the ONLY reason this is a story is because of race. Honestly...how many black mothers and fathers are going to lose children just in Chicago this weekend and are you going to make the same stink? IF you truly want justice to be served or want changes made, try focusing on the big picture and not a single tragedy used to push certain agendas.
You hear about the guy who shot a six year old because she went into his yard? It was a story for about a minute, Guess why it went away.
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post 1682592553 05-12-2023, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted By badreligion⏩
You hear about the guy who shot a six year old because she went into his yard? It was a story for about a minute, Guess why it went away.
Because the tragedy can't be weaponized with the aim of dividing us...it doesn't fit the narrative the media tries to portray.
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post 1682592883 05-12-2023, 04:58 PM
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let this be a lesson to all you wannabe tough guys in blue areas.

they want this to keep happening. dont intefere. if a homeless crack addict was on a train and gonna shoot it up... get off at the very next stop and let the homeless guy kill the voters on the train. its what they voted for
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post 1682619153 05-13-2023, 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted By Mountaineer92⏩
let this be a lesson to all you wannabe tough guys in blue areas.

they want this to keep happening. dont intefere. if a homeless crack addict was on a train and gonna shoot it up... get off at the very next stop and let the homeless guy kill the voters on the train. its what they voted for
So this dude was armed and preparing to shoot up the train?
post 1682619313 05-13-2023, 05:16 AM
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I still haven't seen a video of the incident, is there one?

IMO, the marine should prepare his anus. It's only a question of how much anal preparation.

Did the homeless dude physically assault anyone? If so, still not justified.

Was the homeless dude yelling abuse in someone's face? If so, still not justified.

Was the homeless dude just yelling homeless nonsense? If so, still not justified.



That's the thing about applying the RNC. There's a distinct and very noticeable point where your target just drops all resistance and flops like a bag of potatoes. That's when you know they're out and you need to let them go because they are henceforth neutralized.


It takes a decent while to kill someone from a blood choke, even after unconsciousness. You don't have much of an excuse if you're conscientiously holding someone in it to the point of death when you know you've already put them out.


The real kicker IMO is that at no point, did it occur to the marine to think "holy chit, this isexactlylike George Flloyd and I'm the white guy here, I better bail out of this chit while I can!"
Back off, Warchild.

Seriously.
post 1682621933 05-13-2023, 06:57 AM
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After reading 90% of the posts the defense of the marine is the mentally ill guys record which was unknown at the time.
He would have been a hero if he subdued not killed and that is where the major disagreement lies.
imagine a world where if we disliked someone or knew their record and just choked them out of life.
Restrain vs. kill.
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post 1682623073 05-13-2023, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted By leafs43⏩
He held the chokehold for 10+ minutes.

That is not to subdue someone, but to strangle them.



He knew that when he did it.
He did not. The ENTIRE event lasted 10 minutes, the choke lasted 2 to 3 minutes and the man was put into recovery position afterward.
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post 1682633713 05-13-2023, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
He did not. The ENTIRE event lasted 10 minutes, the choke lasted 2 to 3 minutes and the man was put into recovery position afterward.
I mentioned earlier that it's expected after a person goes unconscious from a blood choke then if the choke is sustained the receiving person could die in 1-3 minutes.

It seems like perhaps that's what happened.
post 1682634393 05-13-2023, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted By GreatOldOne⏩
I mentioned earlier that it's expected after a person goes unconscious from a blood choke then if the choke is sustained the receiving person could die in 1-3 minutes.

It seems like perhaps that's what happened.
That is more likely. It appears that he subdued him, held it for just too long and assumed the guy would come back to his senses, hence putting him in recovery position. As it stands, and given the profile of the case I fully expect him to be guilty of manslaughter strictly because the guy died. But it is definitely not as malicious as it is being made out to be.
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post 1682637353 05-13-2023, 12:08 PM
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Jordan Neely got 4 months in jail for attempted kidnapping of a child and got no jail time for attempted murder of an elderly woman or any of the other 40+ charges on his rap sheet.

But the Marine who put him in a chokehold after he threatened to kill people on a train and tried to help him before he died now faces 15 years in prison.

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