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post 1699231413 03-15-2024, 08:34 AM
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No such thing as ‘long COVID,’ health agency says in shocking claim

https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/lifest...ecessary-fear/

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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
https://nypost.com/2024/03/14/lifest...ecessary-fear/

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We already have this from Berenson's #1 fan


"Researchers at Queensland Health surveyed 5,112 symptom sufferers aged 18 years and older to reach their conclusion."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
We already have this from Berenson's #1 fan


"Researchers at Queensland Health surveyed 5,112 symptom sufferers aged 18 years and older to reach their conclusion."
Whoops, he was fast *and* has a catchier thread title. Linking the OG thread to this topic:

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=185058453
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I literally said this 2 years ago before there were even studies published the "medicine" is going to be the disease etc.
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Originally Posted By messomi⏩
I literally said this 2 years ago before there were even studies published the "medicine" is going to be the disease etc.
Then why does the "medicine" seem to help?

Or is that you're dedicated to a position taken prior to data and an unwillingness to consider the subsequent data?
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No evidence was found that adults who tested positive in 2022 were experiencing this increased level of impairment at a higher rate than than those who tested negative, or those who simply had the flu.

“However, we found that therates of ongoing symptoms and functional impairment are indistinguishable from other post-viral illnesses,” he continued.
The bold is ironic if it turns out to be true - so instead of snide "no one ever had heart attacks before Covid" remarks maybe it'll turn around and be a case of "no one ever had post-viral complications before Covid" ?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Then why does the "medicine" seem to help?

Or is that you're dedicated to a position taken prior to data and an unwillingness to consider the subsequent data?
Hmmmmmmm...... Probably had it two to three times, never took medicine and never got the jab, should I be worried?
post 1699234713 03-15-2024, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
The bold is ironic if it turns out to be true - so instead of snide "no one ever had heart attacks before Covid" remarks maybe it'll turn around and be a case of "no one ever had post-viral complications before Covid" ?
That would be an easy position to counter.

https://bjgp.org/content/37/298/212.short
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Hmmmmmmm...... Probably had it two to three times, never took medicine and never got the jab, should I be worried?
How would I know?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How would I know?
Well, all the numerous articles you create, how could you not know?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Well, all the numerous articles you create, how could you not know?
As I suggested previously, it might help to acquire some basically literacy in odds and risk
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Occasionally respiratory viral infections can have complications (i.e. decreased lung capacity) that last after the infection is over and take awhile to fully recover from, but there was never evidence that it was as prevalent post Covid than post flu. Reports about 'long Covid' are self reported.
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not health agency, but 1 study
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Occasionally respiratory viral infections can have complications (i.e. decreased lung capacity) that last after the infection is over and take awhile to fully recover from, but there was never evidence that it was as prevalent post Covid than post flu. Reports about 'long Covid' are self reported.
Except for in the studies using objective assessments.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
As I suggested previously, it might help to acquire some basically literacy in odds and risk
So you're saying I should get the jab? Mask up?
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lmao. Now that deaths are below that of the seasonal flu (at least for the US haven't bothered to look at data for other countries) all of the Covid nuts have pivoted to long covid. Easy enough when your average autist with mental health issues can just claim they have long covid.

Oops.
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A UK national study of Long Covid at 1-year (preprint) longitudinally assessed 351 patients who required hospitalization and over 2,900 matched healthy controls. The cognitive deficits were marked and equivalent to the impact of 20-years of aging. Furthermore, biomarkers of brain injury indicated the process of tissue damage was persistent, and the loss of grey matter adds further to the concern on the extent of the hit.
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/lighting-up-long-covid
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post 1699237063 03-15-2024, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So you're saying I should get the jab? Mask up?
I'm saying developing some basic literacy might help you understand research results
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
not health agency, but 1 study
Holy ****, you're still alive??? Waiting for Covid to mutate into a deadly strain that will bring back lockdowns?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I'm saying developing some basic literacy might help you understand research results
So I'm not gonna make it???
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
So I'm not gonna make it???
You're of course entitled to your opinion
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Originally Posted By ViolentZ⏩
https://erictopol.substack.com/p/lighting-up-long-covid
Eric Topol is a grifter and should be thrown in the same category of crap as Eric Fiegl Ding and Lucky Tran.
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Originally Posted By sfgiants13⏩
Eric Topol is a grifter and should be thrown in the same category of crap as Eric Fiegl Ding and Lucky Tran.
Here's the study.

Topol was not an author


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adg7942
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Here's the study.

Topol was not an author


https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adg7942
Doesn't matter if he's not the author. He'll gladly amplify any study no matter how garbage as long as it fits his narrative just like most did in public health for the past 4 years. Or he'll just straight up lie.

Have you ever seen Topol even once suggest that just maybe covid isn't this mass disabling virus that the twitter talking heads are leading everyone to believe?
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Originally Posted By sfgiants13⏩
Doesn't matter if he's not the author. He'll gladly amplify any study no matter how garbage as long as it fits his narrative just like most did in public health for the past 4 years. Or he'll just straight up lie.

Have you ever seen Topol even once suggest that just maybe covid isn't this mass disabling virus that the twitter talking heads are leading everyone to believe?
Any issues with the study?

Did Topol misrepresent the results? How so?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You're of course entitled to your opinion
How much longer do I have???
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Any issues with the study?

Did Topol misrepresent the results? How so?
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/20...bm-2023-112338

Here's a good read on how a lot of long covid studies are full of it. For the above study I'd love to see the demographics of the control group. The problem with a lot of these studies is anyone can claim they have long covid. The type of person that would sign up for a study like this is one that has extreme anxiety around covid and is likely to think every little thing is a symptom of long covid. If they have other undetected health problems it's going to mess with the results and show up in the testing. Hard to make any sort of conclusion based on 113 people.
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Originally Posted By sfgiants13⏩
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/20...bm-2023-112338

Here's a good read on how a lot of long covid studies are full of it. For the above study I'd love to see the demographics of the control group. The problem with a lot of these studies is anyone can claim they have long covid. The type of person that would sign up for a study like this is one that has extreme anxiety around covid and is likely to think every little thing is a symptom of long covid. If they have other undetected health problems it's going to mess with the results and show up in the testing. Hard to make any sort of conclusion based on 113 people.
Sure.

But that doesn't apply to the study Topol posted.

Are you suggesting the effect sizes would be smaller with a larger sample size? Why?
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Originally Posted By sfgiants13⏩
https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/20...bm-2023-112338

Here's a good read on how a lot of long covid studies are full of it. For the above study I'd love to see the demographics of the control group. The problem with a lot of these studies is anyone can claim they have long covid. The type of person that would sign up for a study like this is one that has extreme anxiety around covid and is likely to think every little thing is a symptom of long covid. If they have other undetected health problems it's going to mess with the results and show up in the testing. Hard to make any sort of conclusion based on 113 people.
I remember Michael Phelps claiming he's high risk, because he suffers from depress wand that's why he got the jab.....
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