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post 1565471001 11-05-2018, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted By VeganBrahh⏩
People who dont get spanked are the same kids who shoot up schools.You see any black kids shooting up schools? That's because their parents dont fuk around and spank their kids.
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The fact that people in this thread equate setting boundaries and discipline with physically hitting your child basically summarizes the debate on spanking.

If the only way your child will listen to you is if you hit them than you have failed as a parent.

Good parents have kids that repsect them bexuae they are their parent, not because they are afraid for thei physical well-being.
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Just lol @ people that think the purpose of butt spanking is to make your child fear you. A good butt paddle when you get out of line teaches humility.
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For the child beaters here

How long will you beat them till? What age is the cut off? When they can fight back and whoop you?

How often are you gonna do it? Every time they act up?
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Yeah I used to be in the 'spanking is fine' category but basically every study says that it increases later problems in life so facts > my feels.

FWIW I'm the oldest of 3, I got some spanks, next kid very few because it behaved, last one none because Mom had worked out better ways to get compliance even that was probably the trickiest child to deal with.

My take is that there are better methods than corporal punishment, the problem is the people least able to implement them (i.e. stupid, poorly educated, angry, have own issues etc.) are the ones most inclined towards spanking or worse.

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Also my wife has permanent hearing loss in one ear because her father clouted her round the head when she did something wrong. Guy was basically the role model angry dad. Unsurprisingly, she now has issues with men who display anger to her.
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Let me guess ITT: People with no kids comment on what scientists with no kids tell people with kids how to raise them

This chit keeps getting said. If people want to spank their kids go for it. Discipline is good for a kid. The whole never physically harm your kid thing is just weird 1st world people crap.
Originally Posted By Mr
Yeah I used to be in the 'spanking is fine' category but basically every study says that it increases later problems in life so facts > my feels.

FWIW I'm the oldest of 3, I got some spanks, next kid very few because it behaved, last one none because Mom had worked out better ways to get compliance even that was probably the trickiest child to deal with.

My take is that there are better methods than corporal punishment, the problem is the people least able to implement them (i.e. stupid, poorly educated, angry, have own issues etc.) are the ones most inclined towards spanking or worse.

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Also my wife has permanent hearing loss in one ear because her father clouted her round the head when she did something wrong. Guy was basically the role model angry dad. Unsurprisingly, she now has issues with men who display anger to her.
I really do think there's a healthy medium. I don't think none is the answer. I don't think beating your kids is it either.

I also think it's easy for people with no kids to talk about never doing it. Hard to not do it once you're dealing with your kids everyday.

I'm also a bit skeptical of causation for spanking causing those problems. Maybe correlation but that seems rather iffy.
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Originally Posted By MiamiLife305⏩
For the child beaters here

How long will you beat them till? What age is the cut off? When they can fight back and whoop you?

How often are you gonna do it? Every time they act up?
I’m 28 now and sometimes when me and my dad drink Coors Light after work in the yard (we run a business together) we’ll have a disagreement and beat eachother up. Sometimes he wins still and sometimes I do.
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Originally Posted By chickenbroc****⏩
I’m 28 now and sometimes when me and my dad drink Coors Light after work in the yard (we run a business together) we’ll have a disagreement and beat eachother up. Sometimes he wins still and sometimes I do.
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Originally Posted By SpeedMan1⏩
That’s BS. I got whooped as a kid so I’ll do be doing the same. I literally could not be reasoned with as a child and only understood the belt.
This.

The amount of times I've seen parents try to control their kids unsuccessfully because the kid fully knows that there are ZERO consequences (oh no...no TV tonight, how will he ever cope) so he might as well keep acting like a little chit until the parents inevitably cave.
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Originally Posted By VeganBrahh⏩
Lmao @ not spanking your kids

People who dont get spanked are the same kids who shoot up schools.You see any black kids shooting up schools? That's because their parents dont fuk around and spank their kids.
Lolzzz black kids can be bad too. I live close by the hood and those kids are rough!
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Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
Let me guess ITT: People with no kids comment on what scientists with no kids tell people with kids how to raise them

This chit keeps getting said. If people want to spank their kids go for it. Discipline is good for a kid. The whole never physically harm your kid thing is just weird 1st world people crap.



I really do think there's a healthy medium. I don't think none is the answer. I don't think beating your kids is it either.

I also think it's easy for people with no kids to talk about never doing it. Hard to not do it once you're dealing with your kids everyday.

I'm also a bit skeptical of causation for spanking causing those problems. Maybe correlation but that seems rather iffy.
Have a 17 year old. He got smacked on a diapered butt once in his life. It wasn't even a hard smack. Sure he's had his bratty moments just like every kid in the world will have, no matter how much they're beaten. But he's a good kid through and through.
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Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
I really do think there's a healthy medium.I don't think none is the answer. I don't think beating your kids is it either.
Seems close to saying 'you can't raise a child properly without physical discipline'.
Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
I also think it's easy for people with no kids to talk about never doing it. Hard to not do it once you're dealing with your kids everyday.
I think that's absolutely true but probably speaks to the fact that spankings tend to get handed out because the difficulties of dealing with children leads to parental frustration and thus anger...as opposed to a calm, collected and rational decision to hit your child for their own good.
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Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
Let me guess ITT: People with no kids comment on what scientists with no kids tell people with kids how to raise them

This chit keeps getting said. If people want to spank their kids go for it. Discipline is good for a kid. The whole never physically harm your kid thing is just weird 1st world people crap.



I really do think there's a healthy medium. I don't think none is the answer. I don't think beating your kids is it either.

I also think it's easy for people with no kids to talk about never doing it. Hard to not do it once you're dealing with your kids everyday.

I'm also a bit skeptical of causation for spanking causing those problems. Maybe correlation but that seems rather iffy.
Lol at these types of responses.

1. On what basis would throw researchers not have kids?

2. This isn't set thought experiment. They just look at kids who were/were not spanked as a child and then look at how the kids do later in life.

Believe it or not, data is better than your anecdote

As I said before, the fact you equate discipline with physically hurting children is really all you need to know you see why your argument is flawed.
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Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
I also think it's easy for people with no kids to talk about never doing it. Hard to not do it once you're dealing with your kids everyday.
Not saying I agree with everything you say, but there is truth in this.
The disconnect between the 'experts' and ordinary people (in this case actual parents) is enormous.
I'll give you an example, in university we studied some dumb sloot called Montessori who had grand ideas about how children should be raised.
Long story short she was a terrible mother herself and even abandoned her own child.
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Originally Posted By Evil_D⏩
Not saying I agree with everything you say, but there is truth in this.
The disconnect between the 'experts' and ordinary people (in this case actual parents) is enormous.
I'll give you an example, in university we studied some dumb sloot called Montessori who had grand ideas about how children should be raised.
Long story short she was a terrible mother herself and even abandoned her own child.
Again, these aren't experts coming up with theories by just sitting there engaging in thought experiments

They just look at kids who were or were not spanked and then look at how they do later in life.

Spoiler, every single study on this issue has found the kids who werent hit do better.

This is the same logic as saying only researchers who smoke can accurately identify whether smoking causes cancer.
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Originally Posted By 7rmr⏩
This is the same logic as saying only researchers who smoke can accurately identify whether smoking causes cancer.
Have to disagree with this point. That's comparing two things with absolutely nothing in common.
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Originally Posted By fawkingjoocy⏩
I'm all about evidence based practices and scientific research but I don't believe this. My generation and older got spanked or whooped and it worked for everyone I know. Kids who don't get hit end up stabbing their mom 28 times over an argument
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Originally Posted By 7rmr⏩
Literally every piece of research that has ever been done on spanking comes to this same conclusion.

And yet, people on the misc always disagree.

Gee, I wonder who's right
It’s almost like there’s some agenda behind this research that somehow just keeps getting funded...
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Originally Posted By ayyy⏩
+1 for the spanked crowd

spanked hard too none of that wrist slapping chit, maybe this is the common denominator between all of us
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Originally Posted By Evil_D⏩
Have to disagree with this point. That's comparing two things with absolutely nothing in common.
How so?

Look at who people who smoke vs people who do not. Then look at who develops lung cancer.

Here, look at people who were spanked vs people who are not. Then look at how they do later in life.

Again, this isn't some "expert" just sitting in their office coming up with parenting stratagies. This is done by looking at what happens in the real world.
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Originally Posted By Legz422⏩
Have a 17 year old. He got smacked on a diapered butt once in his life. It wasn't even a hard smack. Sure he's had his bratty moments just like every kid in the world will have, no matter how much they're beaten. But he's a good kid through and through.
Glad to hear it. The point I was coming across with definitely wasn't that kids without physical discipline will be a mess. I'm sure there's many like yours that turn out great.
Originally Posted By Mr
Seems close to saying 'you can't raise a child properly without physical discipline'.



I think that's absolutely true but probably speaks to the fact that spankings tend to get handed out because the difficulties of dealing with children leads to parental frustration and thus anger...as opposed to a calm, collected and rational decision to hit your child for their own good.
I was more saying I think kids need some level of physical discipline. Im not a parent though so I'm going to take my own advice.

And I definitely agree. Hard to always be calm and collected. People are emotional so I think expecting total rationality is just not in our nature, which is why I am fine with kids being spanked occasionally. We all lose our cool every once in a while and that is okay. What I'm saying isn't aimed at you but think some people seem to expect parents to never fly off the handle.
Originally Posted By Evil_D⏩
Not saying I agree with everything you say, but there is truth in this.
The disconnect between the 'experts' and ordinary people (in this case actual parents) is enormous.
I'll give you an example, in university we studied some dumb sloot called Montessori who had grand ideas about how children should be raised.
Long story short she was a terrible mother herself and even abandoned her own child.
"Experts" always seem to be out of it. Very rarely do they seem to realize that experience counts for a lot. They also seem to think that what they think and only what they think is right and other viewpoints are just wrong. Studies, I think, only count for so much sometimes and real life experience needs to come into play, especially with a topic like this. Things don't get to happen in a lab.

Like I also said, I don't know if I buy the Im a criminal because I got disciplined notion.
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It’s almost like there’s some agenda behind this research that somehow just keeps getting funded...
Personally think these researchers seem to always have some confirmation bias and find something they want to see and run with it. As mentioned above, proving this is also a really hard task.
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Spanking is fine.


Beating your child is where it becomes an issue. Some parents can't tell the difference between the two.
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I never got spanked but my father still had me scared chitless if i were to piss him off so that worked. If there's no fear of repercussions you end up being a spoiled kunt.
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Originally Posted By VeganBrahh⏩
Lmao @ not spanking your kids

People who dont get spanked are the same kids who shoot up schools.You see any black kids shooting up schools? That's because their parents dont fuk around and spank their kids.
You wanna compare murder rates in black communities vs other races in the US? You won't like those stats. According to your logic, not fking around and spanking your kids turns them into murderers disproportionately to any other race.
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Originally Posted By ssg10587⏩
Like I also said, I don't know if I buy the Im a criminal because I got disciplined notion
Sorry, to clarify. Have you been convicted of a crime. Not sure if you were speaking in generalities or actually referring to yourself.
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Spanking breeds stupidity and is done by stupid parents.

The idea that a person is doing something "bad" is incorrect. The person doing it thinks it's good, so they only way they can and will stop that is by learning. They must learn why you believe it's bad and you must convince them.

So, parents can only correct behavior by teaching the kid to think differently.

Pain and punishment cause children to become liars and sneaks.

Ghetto:

Ghetto types always promote beating children.

Who are the most violent and dysfunctional people who never ever do anything right in America, perhaps in the history of humanity even?

You know who.

Ask that type of person what they think and they will promote beating, not an intellectual approach, yet all of their parenting fails.
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Originally Posted By TheAdlerian⏩
Spanking breeds stupidity and is done by stupid parents.

The idea that a person is doing something "bad" is incorrect. The person doing it thinks it's good, so they only way they can and will stop that is by learning. They must learn why you believe it's bad and you must convince them.

So, parents can only correct behavior by teaching the kid to think differently.

Pain and punishment cause children to become liars and sneaks.

Ghetto:

Ghetto types always promote beating children.

Who are the most violent and dysfunctional people who never ever do anything right in America, perhaps in the history of humanity even?

You know who.

Ask that type of person what they think and they will promote beating, not an intellectual approach, yet all of their parenting fails.
Your dad really should have knocked some more sense into you when you were a kid.
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I'd beat my wife for misbehaving before my children. At least she is grown and ought to know better. Kids don't know better and it's up to you to teach them. If they keep doing the same things after knowing it's wrong though I might have to consider it.
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