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Thread: HBO's Game of Thrones - Open Discussion - Final Season VIII

post 1579608351 05-07-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Nah not a troll. you just can't handle the truth and are blinded by hate
Bud, my example of how to improve episode 3 included Arya still killing the NK. You are definitely a troll.
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Jaime looking gaunt af compared to the alpha kingsguard from season 1. Losing a hand is rough on a man.

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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
This sentence doesn’t make any sense. No wonder you’ve never heard certain words before.
I mean he uses images in everything he posts. Pretty sure hes retarded.
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
No, in the books Cersei talks about ONE abortion, and an abortion is not a child.

And Cersei DOES give a fuk about Maggy's prophecy:


Skip to 1:44
Yeah, after parts of the prophecy are fulfilled. She never gave af about anything and anyone besiders herself, her kids and maybe Jaime. It would be extremely ooc for her to ponder in front of the fireplace that "well I'm fukd" after literally overcoming all odds and outliving almost everyone.


Well in the show she talks about their boy with Robert who died of fever after he was born.

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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩


that's my point boyo.. these writers handled Theon's arc perfectly. Jamie isn't dead... and they've handled everything with him very well so far.
Eh... Jamie should’ve died in season 7 when he charged at the dragon.
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Originally Posted By dj006xx⏩
I mean he uses images in everything he posts. Pretty sure hes retarded.
This is most definitely a low IQ post.. Need your safe space away from pics on the internet to boyo? Snowflake

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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Yeah, after parts of the prophecy are fulfilled. She never gave af about anything and anyone besiders herself, her kids and maybe Jaime. It would be extremely ooc for her to ponder in front of the fireplace that "well I'm fukd" after literally overcoming all odds and outliving almost everyone.
Yeah, but thats what I am saying. NOW she doesn't give a fuk because NOW she knows the prophecy is true and her kids are dead, as foretold. In that scene I linked she awknowledges that.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Well in the show she talks about their boy with Robert who died of fever after he was born.

That was her lying to Catlyn Stark to 1) get a little sympathy (while she actually was just there to see if Bran may die) and 2) because at that point she wouldn't come out and say that she did an abortion, so she said died to a fever. Remember, Robert is still lives at that moment. Only later, when he dies, she tells Ned (after he finds out the kids are not Roberts) that she never had kids with Robert because she got one aborted.

Robert would have killed her and Jaime if he had found out about both of these things.
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Originally Posted By Garnett⏩
I've tried to make this point earlier in this thread that it's impossible to tie up all of the storylines within the parameters of TV, budget and time. Even if they went the route of a 10 episode season there's no way to fully explain all of the magical NK elements without an increased CGI budget (imo) while simultaneously keeping the political aspects moving forward.

GRRM has an unlimited budget and unlimited time to finish a series he started working on over 25 years ago and he is nowhere close to completing it. Yet miscers with their extensive author resumes are saying D&D are complete trash bc of rushef aspects and below A+ level writing. It's frankly insulting when there have been so many great scenes and arcs post canon material in the last 3 seasons.

Yes the writng isn't the same but lets not act like it isn't still well above most everything else currently on TV. If the scrutiny people applied to GOT to other great works (e.g. the Sopranos) the level of greatness will be diminished. I hope GOT gets remembered as glowingly as the Sopranos and other shows.
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Even though Jon isn't Ned's son...he clearly suffers from making the same retarded political decisions. Or maybe the writers need to make him look that way.

- No idea why he told Dany about his heritage if he didn't want the throne.
- No idea why he then told Arya and Sansa. Even though Sansa clearly is intent on undermining Dany's claim to power.

Just stupid behavior from someone who should know better than now.

On the other hand, you have Tyrion who all of a sudden can't stomach losing even one innocent person's life. Like jackass, you have to take the city...people will die. It's unavoidable.

Lastly, how did pirates of the caribbean know that Dany was going to dragon stone? Does she have a mole?
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Originally Posted By theACEofSPADES⏩
It's because of the budget. They're only allotted an X amount of money so instead of spreading it over 10 episodes they wanted to put it into 6 episodes which would produce higher quality episodes, so they thought.
Which is sad because everything else in the show is fuking 10/10 besides the writing

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Originally Posted By Garnett⏩
I've tried to make this point earlier in this thread that it's impossible to tie up all of the storylines within the parameters of TV, budget and time. Even if they went the route of a 10 episode season there's no way to fully explain all of the magical NK elements without an increased CGI budget (imo) while simultaneously keeping the political aspects moving forward.

GRRM has an unlimited budget and unlimited time to finish a series he started working on over 25 years ago and he is nowhere close to completing it. Yet miscers with their extensive author resumes are saying D&D are complete trash bc of rushef aspects and below A+ level writing. It's frankly insulting when there have been so many great scenes and arcs post canon material in the last 3 seasons.

Yes the writng isn't the same butlets not act like it isn't still well above most everything else currently on TV. If the scrutiny people applied to GOT to other great works (e.g. the Sopranos) the level of greatness will be diminished. I hope GOT gets remembered as glowingly as the Sopranos and other shows.
Theres’s no fukking chance of that happening.... sorry to tell you. This show (post book seasons) will be mentioned in the same breath with TWD... just a spectacle and something that people got addicted to early on and committed to watching no matter what.

Go watch Billions... or Vikings... or OA... or Travelers... or Spartacus... Counterpart... Breaking Bad... The Wire...

Every one of them has been MILES better than the last 3 seasons of GoT.

These ****s should have never taken on the project if they weren’t up to the task of doing the ending justice. And GRRM should have never let them do it without making sure that they wouldn’t butcher it (guess he just wanted dem dollahs tho so I can’t blame him).
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
Lastly, how did pirates of the caribbean know that Dany was going to dragon stone? Does she have a mole?
Sansa/Dany get a raven while still in Winterfell that Yana Greyjoy has conquered/secured Dragonstone for Dany ... I assume its not a surprise that the person with a massive iron fleet learns about that?
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Originally Posted By JewishSuperHero⏩
Eh... Jamie should’ve died in season 7 when he charged at the dragon.
Yeah maybe if he didn’t have so much freakin plot armor

To be honest they should have killed a lot more people off for my liking
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Originally Posted By nvrstopworking⏩
Theres’s no fukking chance of that happening.... sorry to tell you. This show (post book seasons) will be mentioned in the same breath with TWD... just a spectacle and something that people got addicted to early on and committed to watching no matter what.
I normally like your posts.. but this was a bad take right here
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
Lastly, how did pirates of the caribbean know that Dany was going to dragon stone? Does she have a mole?
Well someone with a lot of little birds in kings landing just said Cercie isn't that bad and we should kill Daenerys.
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
Even though Jon isn't Ned's son...he clearly suffers from making the same retarded political decisions. Or maybe the writers need to make him look that way.

- No idea why he told Dany about his heritage if he didn't want the throne.
- No idea why he then told Arya and Sansa. Even though Sansa clearly is intent on undermining Dany's claim to power.

Just stupid behavior from someone who should know better than now.
Yeah...

There is a brah on youtube who did a video, talking about how the Stark men have that naive trait that makes them vulnerable to being screwed over.

They are so committed to honour and honesty even towards their enemies, that it screws them over when it comes to politics. (Which is probably very accurate to RL, you need to be able to manipulate, deceive and compromise... Even if you are a committed to the people.)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccrQObMjg1U


Varys is strongly committed to the people, but he knows how to play the game amongst the sociopaths and narcissists by using deception and manipulation.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tuz0Cik6uXQ
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
Sansa/Dany get a raven while still in Winterfell that Yana Greyjoy has conquered/secured Dragonstone for Dany ... I assume its not a surprise that the person with a massive iron fleet learns about that?
Unless I’m misremembering, Yara took the Iron Islands back, not Dragonstone.
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
Yeah maybe if he didn’t have so much freakin plot armor

To be honest they should have killed a lot more people off for my liking
It's a soap opera now bro. They can't kill anyone's favorite characters off til the end. Gotta keep that viewership up and go out on top.
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck⏩
Yeah...

There is a brah on youtube who did a video, talking about how the Stark men have that naive trait that makes them vulnerable to being screwed over.

They are so committed to honour and honesty even towards their enemies, that it screws them over when it comes to politics. (Which is probably very accurate to RL, you need to be able to manipulate, deceive and compromise... Even if you are a committed to the people.)
John Snow being an autist would certainly explain what I thought was just questionable acting, and also the scene where he just starts screaming at Viserion for no reason.
Nah, fukk that. I’m not doing that.
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Originally Posted By ohiostate124⏩
Unless I’m misremembering, Yara took the Iron Islands back, not Dragonstone.
Oh, I actually think you are right and I misremembered.

^ I kinda like the theory of Kev up there that Varys maybe gave them a heads-up.
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
I don't think I've ever heard the words:

"deus ex machinas"
"plot armor"
"subverting expectations"

other than when talking about this show since episode 3 lmao. It's like people can't help themselves but parrot phrases they've read online or seen on a video
people have been talking about daenerys' and sam's plot armor since s1 boyo
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Originally Posted By ceizer1985⏩
Lastly, how did pirates of the caribbean know that Dany was going to dragon stone? Does she have a mole?
Every military leader should have scouts and know about an army of that size moving.
The question should be: Why Dany does not know Euron is on the way?
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Originally Posted By Garnett⏩
I've tried to make this point earlier in this thread that it's impossible to tie up all of the storylines within the parameters of TV, budget and time. Even if they went the route of a 10 episode season there's no way to fully explain all of the magical NK elements without an increased CGI budget (imo) while simultaneously keeping the political aspects moving forward.

GRRM has an unlimited budget and unlimited time to finish a series he started working on over 25 years ago and he is nowhere close to completing it. Yet miscers with their extensive author resumes are saying D&D are complete trash bc of rushef aspects and below A+ level writing. It's frankly insulting when there have been so many great scenes and arcs post canon material in the last 3 seasons.

Yes the writng isn't the same but lets not act like it isn't still well above most everything else currently on TV. If the scrutiny people applied to GOT to other great works (e.g. the Sopranos) the level of greatness will be diminished. I hope GOT gets remembered as glowingly as the Sopranos and other shows.
We - ppl who are criticizing the writing - have acknowledged and accepted the budget restraints (which have been there since day 1) and overwhelming amount of plot threads and that it would be almost impossible to tie all of them in a satisfying way. This has been repeated tons of times. Literally almost nobody complained that events are being rushed.

The issue is that characters are acting out of character, many of them are suddenly retarded and the writing is just atrocious at times. Just take the re-edit of Euron killing Rhaegal from last episode: just by rearranging the scenes, it all made kind of sense, and it wasn't some cheap shock effect where apparently Dany and the two dragons fail to spot Euron's fleet, while they manage to 3 shot Rhaeagal. Then fail to hit Dany and Drogon while flying towards them.

Is GoT still a ton better than most tv shows? Sure is.

It's just hard to accept the glaring differences in quality, and the growing number of cheap "you didn't see that coming, did you lmao" moments.

It's also hard to ignore comments made by D&D, telling that Arya had to kill the NK because nobody expected it and that Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet.

Oh and also Dorne.
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A lot of the show is still top-notch TV, production values and such, between that and the previous seasons of more thoughtful and less rushed story-telling, I think that is why there is a contingent of people who are reacting so aggressively to the complaints.

I'm ready to see it wrap and I've certainly stuck with lesser shows (Sons of Anarchy) just to see them end, but as much as I was willing to push through Ep3, the utter nonsense about Euron in Ep4 really bothers me. Just so ridiculous and nonsensical, the more you think about it the more absurd it gets. A fleet of ships ambushing a pair of dragons flying in the air, catching utterly off guard, firing from the rocky seas to a moving target with deadly repeated accuracy, it just really fell flat.

What's more, the second the plot wants the remaining dragon to be useful, all that broken internal logic they established will simply be ignored, because we will see Drogon burn Euron alive and as satisfying as that should be, I'm concerned I'm just out of fuks to give.
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Same, I'm making peace with it and trying not to be too overly disappointed.
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Originally Posted By ANumber1⏩
John Snow being an autist would certainly explain what I thought was just questionable acting,
From a youtube comment.

"You have to be smarter than father. You need to be smarter than Robb. I love them I miss them, but they made stupid mistakes and they both lost their heads for it."
-Sansa to Jon

Makes me think that Sansa will be one of the most substantial players in GOT.

Arguably... Sansa considers about other's motivations, none of the Stark men do, they only think about what is the right thing to do.
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Originally Posted By GotNext⏩
Yeah, but thats what I am saying. NOW she doesn't give a fuk because NOW she knows the prophecy is true and her kids are dead, as foretold. In that scene I linked she awknowledges that.



That was her lying to Catlyn Stark to 1) get a little sympathy (while she actually was just there to see if Bran may die) and 2) because at that point she wouldn't come out and say that she did an abortion, so she said died to a fever. Remember, Robert is still lives at that moment. Only later, when he dies, she tells Ned (after he finds out the kids are not Roberts) that she never had kids with Robert because she got one aborted.

Robert would have killed her and Jaime if he had found out about both of these things.
Err, so if she was lying, what about the scene below, when she tells Robert "when we lost our first boy?"



It was most likely an oversight from the show writers. Or not, who knows.

Thing is she definitely cares about her kid.
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Originally Posted By Brad_Pitt⏩
Same, I'm making peace with it and trying not to be too overly disappointed.
I actually think its good. Its just rushed to chit
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
Dany forgot about the Iron Fleet
Please stop repeating that non-sense - it was taken out of context.

I am fine with pointing out the countless stupid mistakes they did, but pulling a quote out of context just to pile on is silly because you have so much legit crap to chose from, why go there!?
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